Enlighten us. How many times? And also, how many of those times have happened in the last 3 or 4 expansions?
And before you mention BfA remember, The Alliance won every single battle front, it’s canon that it won the war. The game might have done a poor job showing that to the players, but it’s canon that the Alliance owned the Horde all that expansion. The burning of the tree is basically a moment of allowing the Horde to win only to highlight the Horde as the villain faction and to give the Alliance an excuse to defeat the Horde.
I think it’s weird, what is the horde to some players at this point in the story? They were always survivors to me personally. People who’ve gone through way too much just to find home and security. They are at a better place now than before. Breaking out of an old tradition that has caused problem after problem for them (Warchief). Now they have each other… fully. And the alliance has come a way to break their cycle of hatred for the horde races. At least to a point.
The last thing the horde would want to do is cause any trouble or see the world burn even more. How much more can they lose without being completely torn apart?
It is their world too after all! It’s time for the horde to rise and show the alliance how it’s done when we are faced with these greater threats. Nobody has more heart.
I play Horde because that’s what was sold to us back in the day.
My first contact with the Warcraft universe was playing the Kael Thas campaign in WC3 and I felt really in synth with this race of elves (who’re usually portrayed as powerful and perfect) who had to do everything in order to survive, to protect their people, to the point of basically dealing with the devil. Then I learned the story of Thrall and I felt totally in touch with the Horde in general as a group of people that’s seen as villains, but they aren’t, they are survivors from races seen as evil, trying to find a place in the world.
That’s why seeing them being back to basically the evil races, back to being simply what their appearances show, feels like the story team doesn’t really understands the Horde anymore.
You know, in general I’m pretty much against bashing on the devs and calling them incompetent. I hate being that guy.
But, I have to agree to a degree here. It feels like they just show the races as the typical stereotypes nowadays, instead of anything a bit more complex.
And, you know, I feel like they’re perfectly capable of better stuff. The trailer for the next expansion, for example, feels very well done, with characters that feel alive and complex. But then, the in-game stuff feels really disappointing and bland.
Isn’t that what the overall playerbase wants, though? Maybe not you personally, or the people that post on these forums, which is likely a tiny portion of the playerbase.
But isn’t Blizzard just giving its players what it wants? Kill raid bosses and get loot? Or PvP your way to glory? Story is an afterthought.
Like I’ve said in a previous thread, WoW’s story ended in Legion. It wrapped up a 10-year long story arc involving Sargeras. Everything after that has been a miss.
Judging by a lot of the posts I see here, anytime someone brings up the story in a serious way, the retort is usually some variant of “Go play FFXIV.” Which, ironically, I do. That’s my main game. I’m a big story guy, so FFXIV has been my home since right after Legion.
When I play WoW I don’t care about the story at all. I just like to level characters, experiment with different builds, and do lots and lots of transmog. Story was never Blizzard’s focus with WoW. Because it was never the focus of the players.
The focus of the players was and remains, the acquisition of loot.
Story really hasn’t been an afterthought though. It’s just been extremely sappy.
Indeed.
It is easier to ignore story in WoW than in FFXIV because FFXIV forces you to do every aspect for it’s MSQ to get all of the story. But WoW also has become more story focused over the years, and it hasn’t been a good thing.
It’s pretty much eroding any faction pride or race fantasy lately. Nelves lose their storied home since the beginning of WoW. Horde loses the Warchief title and the Forsaken leader to a story not worth all of that. The payout has been watching this raid cinematic I guess? Lol!
I’m not trying to be inflammatory, I just feel like I’m watching the finale to an episode of Captain Planet or something. It isn’t up to par for the wow brand.
Just to be clear. You do realize this is all Blizzard’s story and Blizzard set this all up to have the Alliance win over and over and over? Horde would win a battle and then the Alliance would win the war. Sheese, it is like you think any of us have any control over Blizzard’s story telling.
I can’t control Blizzard’s writing, no one can. I can only look at how things unfolded and explain why they did.
Would it be nice if the Horde stopped being so messy in the narrative and instead were heroic? Sure, it would, but then Horde players whine and moan about ‘not being allowed to be Horde’ when ‘being Horde’ means starting wars.
The whining got so loud Blizzard inserted divergent storylines for Sylvanas Loyalists who, by all rights, should have been put to the sword, but we couldn’t, because of gameplay limitations.
Bias? What bias? Horde players rail against every effort written with the effort of making the Horde not the villain in mind. Baine? Traitor and Alliance plant. The Council? Alliance-Lite. Calia? Alliance sympathizer. Thrall? Do-nothing Alliance lapdog.
That’s not bias, that’s a failure to read the room regarding where the narrative is going, which is a focus on cooperation and leaving the past behind. This is a good thing, because a narrative with cooperation as the focus means neither player faction has to be the villain.
If the Alliance lost after MoP, then all of EK falls. If the Alliance lost after BFA, all reality ceases to exist.
Again, Alliance is mad because they were made the victim because Horde writers decided ‘oh we’ll go ahead and turn every Horde PC into a complete monster’ by burning the tree. Which also sucked for the Horde because, welp, we’re idiot drones following an obviously evil leader again.
