They make goblins green gnomes yes. Another average nice guy race. Would have been fun if Gallywix could actaully become a real king that would have been a twist.
When has any Goblin NPC ever acted like an, “average nice guy”? I can’t think of a single Goblin that’s ever asked me to do something that didn’t have alternative self-serving motives.
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Grimla Fizzlecrank in DF, that one Argent Crusade Goblin in Eastern Plaguelands eho replaced Nathanos. Definitely not all Goblins are like that.
Pss, i think they are called…Leper Gnomes! 
There is that goblin cook in DF.
Wait, nevermind, that Argent Goblin, the name escapes me, is not nice!. She shares Nathanos’ old insulting dialogue. But she’s not self-serving though.
"The higher-ups sent me out to see what kind of prospects we had here.
<She gazes out over the horizon, remaining silent for a moment.>
No, not this time, I don’t think. "
Still self-serving, or in the very least, having a cartel focus,(And maybe it was my own mistake when I specified self-serving, but I meant was alternative motives that serve more than just goodness) As in, she’s not doing it out of the goodness of her heart, it’s still business. Business can be good for everybody, but she still has a business-focused mentality that isn’t just doing “something” because it’s the right thing to do, morally. There are almost always other things at play; I guess maybe what I was trying to convey in my earlier statement is that it’s rare to find, I guess, a Goblin charity worker.
You could be right, I don’t recall (and that’s on me.)
I’m not sure which NPC you’re speaking on, I’ll have to research it, although I’m not doubting you.
The point I’m trying to make, still, is that I don’t feel like there’s that many NPCs that are doing things that you’d consider charitable for the good of a bunch of people. Most of them still have alternative reasons for doing the things that they do.
There are probably those that have such a limited perspective and an inability/unwillingness to see anyone’s perspective that they actually believe it.
But, yes, for most it is dishonest. They want to appear the victim and complain until they get the full focus back.
You forget who you are talking to. For Erevien if they are not demon-loving, slave mongers, and/or trying to genocide they are ‘average nice guys’ and should be killed. Remember, he thinks Gazlowe is a communist because he pays a fair wage.
The Horde never had the full focus. Cataclysm was the first and only time we had good progress. Being the bad guy and losing every war is not focus.
That entire dialogue is her ignoring what her superiors told her and choosing not to do the typical Venture Co. “business.” She’s also the leader of Venture Co. this patch.
The quest she gives is not very self-serving at all. Just helping a friend.
First patch was still a pain in the butt for me because most of my already existing characters were Horde, and I did feel like it really made me feel like a lot of the story my characters didn’t fit into, hence why I mained Alliance for the first patch.
For as much as I’ve enjoyed TWW so far, it just really made me feel disconnected Horde side. But again, I’ve already talked on why I feel like they just really slipped up leaving the Horde in limbo. And it’s not one of those situations where I got so upset I didn’t want to play or anything like that, I just played an Alliance character instead because it made more sense head-cannon wises to me.
Lmao, I’m going to say that I think that Alynsa ran the gauntlet on him and now, canonically in my head, Erevien is very much a demon-loving/slave-loving something something. I’m ready for a full on fan-fiction.
Oh, huh, I guess I didn’t pay that much attention, then. Regardless, I do feel that she’s more of an exception. I think what takes that to the next level is that she’s a Venture Co. boss. We been fighting them since Vanilla.
My demands are easy. 90% of all alliance leaders get killed in tragic ways with no payoff just like it happened to Cairne and Vol’jin. 3 of their cities get turned into raids. Ab entire expansion follows where it is Impossible for alliance players to connect with the story and quests. That would even the scores.
Starting of with a lie. Good to see you staying in form.
First, the Horde didn’t lose. The Horde kicked out the ‘bad guy’ and then proceeded to win. And this was after winning most fights to that point.
Second, and the big thing:
Being a villain is not mutually exclusive with getting focus.
I would tell you to think before posting and to stop making stuff up, but we both know that wont happen.
So, she is not a complete jerk trying to take everything she can get and that is a problem?
I totally get that. And I understand the feeling. But, from the posts I have seen I am betting you are not one that thinks the Alliance never experienced that.
I don’t have a problem with people saying they feel disconnected to some story arc because they are a Horde main first. That is fair. I have a problem with people that pretend it has only happened to the Horde.
As I primarily play Alliance (not only mind you) I don’t feel a lot of connection to the Goblin story. I don’t really care that much for Goblins. But I am happy for our Goblin friends getting a story.
I agree.
Well, those are the characters he cheers for and rages if something bad happens to the bad people.
Everything between mop and Legion was an alliance Story.
The Horde abused itself and was then ignored by Blizzard the moment the bad warchief was gone. Hence AMD repeat of the Grommash story twice and it just gets worse all the time
This is like that meme video that happened several years ago where the kid went to the dentist and his parent recorded him in the van where he’s like, “Is this real life?”
Naw, I’ve played since Vanilla and there have been times where it’s went back and forth, for sure. We’ve had expansions, I thought, that focused more or one faction or the other throughout the years. Which I don’t think is necessarily a bad thing, either. It’s more like, the spot the Horde’s in right now that makes me feel like there needs to be some story development Horde side, specifically on the leadership side, that at least makes me feel like it’s not a limping half-dead entity.
No, Erevien was saying that all Goblins SHOULD be complete jerks. The poster I replied to seemed to be saying that Goblins ARE all self-serving and Gazlowe being a “nicer goblin” didn’t change that. In essence, I disagree with both posters. You made a worthless comment in my direction, Blue Erevien.
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Fake Horde fan doesn’t even know about Frostfire Ridge.
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Erevien only likes a very specific Horde. And that’s the mass murdering, genocide loving, legion enslaved horde from Warcraft 1 and 2
It’s all he talks about
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Frostfire ridge was the worst zone of Draenor.
I think for me it’s a vibe thing. I did ask a question, and you answered it and did prove me wrong in the cases you’re referencing; I won’t argue that. In ways I actually appreciate it, but I think my point is that generally, in the instances you referenced, that’s more the exception than the rule.
And I’ll be honest, I think that’s what tends to be really fun with Goblins, that they’re like full capitalism dialed up to eleventy bajillion. It’s a fun fantasy to play in a fantasy game. But like you said, and it has been pretty good examples, the Goblin race isn’t a Monolith and there are exceptions to it.