Im not exactly in disagreement. Id posit that it will probably be some combination of factors assuming it happens and Ill even throw RDF in that mix but I wouldnt assign it to one thing or another unless I had strong evidence of it.
Okay, so you’re the expert on dev testimony? Cool beans! Must pay a lot. LMAO A dev says something, but because you can’t find anything other than that it must not be true, what a way to live life man!
Belittle who? And you want the current “community” to police itself? HAHAHAHAHAHAH OMFG, dude, you are so out of touch with the current state of the game. Here, let me help you…log on to any med-large pop server and sit in trade or LFG channel for an hour. Please, then come back here and argue that the “community” should be able to police itself.
Also, again, I’m not trying to belittle you or anyone, I’m pissed about a decision to remove a QoL feature that was IN the original game. Everything else can be changed, dual spec, WG, any number of other features, and that’s okay…but a quite harmless QoL feature? Nope, gotta go, cause “c0mMun1tY”. Again, your reality of this so called “community” and mine are vastly different.
So I’ll say it one more time…use of RDF/LFD is optional…but not having it there, ISN’T
No, but your attempts to counter any argument for it by stating an obvious fact that everyone knows sure makes it seem like your doing exactly what you say you won’t.
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Perhaps I did read too much into your wording, but as I stated earlier people will not be waiting hours at launch for groups. I do not believe anyone truly waits an hour at any point unless they are on a small server.
Anyway, I’m not looking for an argument as you say merely pointing out you are using hyperbole. You are intentionally inflating a problem to justify your stance.
Regardless, hope you have a good evening. Have fun and happy hunting.
The only thing I ever think no RDF hurts is mid to late server.
You’re nit picking words to support your own argument, which is that it is possible to play the game without RDF, which literally noone has said isn’t the case.
If there was going to be a time it became noticeable that would probably be it.
I still think we will see some pared down version of it by then.
You may be right, I do not see it as “nit picking” I stand by my point that your statement was pure hyperbole, that was the whole of my point. I do not believe people with level to 70, wait hours for a group and quit without RDF, that is simply not gonna happen. But you are correct we have gotten far afield for a tangent.
I’m saying I, and others of this forum, have looked for anything close to confirming your claim and been unable to find it. If you have a source please provide it. In general when making a claim its on the person making the claim to prove its validity. If its not worth your time to do so I can respect that.
This is fair, I other get animated when discussing topics I’m passionate about.
I am not trying to counter your points per se, I’m pointing out that the game was and will be just fine without RDF. That it, that’s my point. I have conceded that RDF does offer some convenience to a certain player type (quite possibly the majority of the community) enjoy. I do not, but would play the game either way.
There’s no reason to despair. People will still be able to get groups, it just wont be as convenient as it would be with RDF.
RDF was implemented for faster groups, not because Casual Carl who doesnt raid could use a bone thrown his way.
Rob Pardo was VP of Game Design in 2009.
He’s the one that said it so he just might be speaking (and in a position to do so) for the team.
That could be completely true, but it wasn’t in vanilla nor the beginning of wrath. There is no statement from Mr Pardo where he singles out wanting it for wrath’s launch, that was my point.
He didnt mean the specific version we got with Wrath though.
Edit: Pardo wanted a working form of it in vanilla. It wouldnt have been the same as Wraths version.
Tome of cold weather flying wasn’t in the beginning of wrath. Dual spec wasn’t in beginning of wrath. A hundred other things weren’t either, and they’re all in the beginning of Wrath Classic.
So, once again, this argument is meaningless. It hasn’t mattered the past there years of Classic. And it doesn’t matter in Wrath Classic either.
Except for dungeon finder.
Q: That segues in nicely to this question: Cross-server gameplay. It’s convenient, but do you think that it runs the risk of destroying server communities?
RP: To be completely honest, [the Looking For Group tool] is a feature I wanted in the game when we launched the game. I was really unhappy when we didn’t have it when we first shipped, so it’s been 5 years coming. Maybe it wasn’t the number one thing I wanted in, but it’s definitely one of the top 5 things that I wanted in the game. It’s actually our third try at a proper LFG tool, and this one gets it right. With the Meeting Stones, we didn’t put enough attention into it, we just tried to jam it in, and people didn’t use it. The second tool, it ended up being compromised feature – we tried to cater to too many different audiences.
As for the community question, I used to … I think that 5 years ago, I would have answered this question differently than I would today. I was all about preserving the small realm communities, but already… Well, look at Battlegrounds, it’s a good case in point, because it doesn’t diminish social relationships that matter on a realm. Sure, everyone can bring up “that one guy” that they know, the ninja looter who stole his stuff. But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder – by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night – We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You don’t have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.
Or, you can do it if you’re on your own and just want to run something, so I don’t think it diminishes it at all.
https://www.escapistmagazine.com/five-years-of-warcraft-speaking-with-blizzards-rob-pardo/
Third try was the charm. 
So maybe I’m reading too much into it but if it was wanted from the beginning it sort of stands to reason they would want it in asap and that would include at Wrath drop.
Yeah I’m Stretch Armstrong.
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You’re not reading too much into it. Of course that’s what it means. He even calls dungeon finder the one that ‘gets it right’.
5 years coming. 5 years after the game launched. Mr. Pardo meant vanilla.
Okay but they wanted it for Vanilla and dropped wanting it until prior to 3.3?
Also I am interested in this sentiment:
“But I think your real community isn’t the whole realm, but it’s your guild and the friends you group with, and the cross-server LFG won’t undermine that at all. The Dungeon Finder – by the way, I think we just renamed it the Dungeon Finder last night – We designed it in such a way that it serves the need for guilds and groups and friends. You don’t have to always [join a Pick-Up Group]. If there are four guildies in a group who just need a fifth, they can do that. You can also use it if even you have a full five-person party.”
Exactly how I used it back in the day.
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You are taking my quote out of context.
I’m taking issue with the assertion that RDF was meant to be added at the beginning of Wrath and Mr Pardo does not say that. That is what I was referencing.
Correct, but the interview in question was done well after WotLK launch as a hype interview for 3.3.0. So again this does not suggest it was an intended feature for launch.
He said it took them 5 years to get it right. It would have been in at launch if they had their way but they couldnt pull it off for whatever reason. Again though, it would not have looked anything like it did in Wrath.
In vanilla it might have been queue → auto group from server and that’s it.
I already admitted to my stretchiness. 
Just thought it was interesting that if it was wanted as far back as Vanilla and multiple attempts were made that perhaps they might have wanted it for Wrath release as well if possible.
That interview says yes. Not sure exactly how that helps the RDF argument but there it is.