I can’t speak for all classes but i will say 6 piece warrior tank and shaman tank set bonuses suck really bad. Please can you explain how 6 piece warrior tank set is supposed to be good with 5x weapon strikes at double damage (when as a tank your weapon hits for nothing in comparison). 5 weapon strikes at 200% dmg (supposing fight is 2.5 minutes because of 30 seconds internal cd…
Lets also talk about shaman tank set when you block you get a chance to proc maelstrom weapon. Shaman tanks havent even used maelstrom due to powersurege procs as well as the mana regen.
I think you guys need to go back to the drawing board for some of these tier set bonuses because they are for the most part GARBAGE.
The team in charge of shamans has been out of touch and bad. Shamans are ironically OP because no dev could earnestly play one because these buffs that make them comically OP in PvP and mid in PvE is honestly evident.
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lmfao i never though about the pvp unbalance. they spend the whole game nuking pve because of pvp unbalance. now they put in items for pve that break pvp… i swear they should make a reality tv show at blizz to show them making these stupid decisions. probably make more on the show than subs for the game.
Warrior set is fantastic. Sustained threat is a non-issue. The only thing that can really set you back is early parries, which are conveniently countered by the set bonus.
Shaman set is also nuts. Duel a Shaman with tank tier on the PTR, as a melee, and let me know how much damage you do to them. If anything, this set needs a nerf.
so you think pvp determines how good the sets are for pve?
also warrior tier 6 set is terrible and if you think 6 piece is good you are not smart. 10% threat on t1 6 piece vs lets say 5 weapon swings at double dmg (800x5). 4000 DMG over 2.5 minute fight sounds like a good end tier bonus?
warior 4 piece is sick so id obviously get both those bonuses, its the 6 piece thats trash. same with shaman tanks.
10% threat is literally irrelevant if you can hold threat without it (which you can). You don’t get bonus points for doing more threat.
T2 6-piece counters the one thing that you can not counter with any other piece of gear: getting an enemy parry early in a pull. Yes, it’s very good.
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disagree 1 parry retaliationon a 30 sec cd is a poor 6 piece. the internal cd needs to be lower to 15 or 20 sec for it to be worth something.
The cooldown is irrelevant because sustained threat is a non-issue. It could be 5 mins and I’d still use it.
One proc early in a pull keeps mobs on you instead of running around. That’s what it’s for. It makes you more reliable, which is what you want as a tank.
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if you think 1 proc for 200% weapon dmg is going to save you on threat you are mistaken my guy, tanked warrior since 2004 and 1 button wont save you if you are bad. all tanks have bad strings of parries and dodges throughout boss fights. Even if you first 10 attacks hit that doesn’t mean the rest of the fight won’t balance itself out by backloading dodges and parries.
on a 1m53s fight in mc i had 16 parries combined and this was including cleave. that would be 3 procs at best for like 2k dmg. it means nothing.
I currently tank in 8/8 prot tier with quel and i have 0 threat issues ever. So this abysmal proc will not help the people who know what they are doing. if a boss parries or dodges you multiple times on pull this wont save you, sending in a ticket into blizzard asking them how you can get avoided on your first 4 attacks might though.
now lets compare this to druid tank 6 piece where it spread their lacerate with swipe. so where is our ability to spread sunders with cleave? do you understand now how bad this tier bonus is?
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It absolutely will early in a pull. A parry is 0 threat. 6pc is the only gear in the game that gives you threat in a situation where you would otherwise have zero.
Lacerate and Swipe can both get parried (~15% chance btw) and the Druid will have zero threat.
Warrior will have threat first global. Druid won’t.
What actual tank shaman cares about this. 99% of the tank shamans CARE ABOUT HOW THE SET WORKS IN RAID NOT THE DEAD SOD PVP OF 1 AB on AB weekend. Absolute dent
so let me get this straight, you think warriors will be massively helped off the pull with the 6 piece vs every other tank? also my reference for the druid tier is that it actually is useful.
so if you think waiting to get 6 piece tier after clearing bwl that your tank will never lose threat on pull? if so howcome warriors are not having any issues in t1?
again your argument about snap threat is trash and the more you speak the more you clearly don’t know what you are talking about. IF YOU NEED A 6 PIECE TIER BONUS TO STOP YOU FROM LOSING THREAT ON PULL YOU ARE TRASH
@DUNNING
guys a moron considering there wasnt even a t2 vendor on ptr. not talking about the single piece of the real vendor, people won bwl tokens and had no where to turn in the tokens… so how do people on ptr have the sets dueling… lmfao just ignore him
Yes.
Druid tier only helps with AoE. Which they’re already good at and don’t really need any more help.
Warrior tier helps in the one specific situation where both Warriors and Druids have issues: getting parried.
There is literally a vendor on PTR that sells all ZG gear, all BWL gear, and both T2 sets.
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well none of that was active when the real raiders were on the ptr testing the raids, not the pvpers. doesn’t change the fact we both think your very wrong and we think your arguments are trash.
very bad take.
“real raiders”, you mean you? lol
everyone that tested when ptr came out, tested again with raid gear, only you didn’t
lol this whole conversation is about how useless a tier bonus is. 10% threat works all the time, spreading lacerate works all the time. 1 retaliation attack is trash.
also why did you spend time on the ptr when there wasnt any raids going on? I am sure you could see how the tier bonuses work in pve…
if you can’t understand that the warrior 6pc set bonus is designed to counter a string of parries on the first shield slams, which is the thing that people complained the most, idk what to say anymore
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why are you talking in plural, its 1 counter attack for 1 parried attack every 30 secs, at best you will have 1 extra attack on pull… i dont think you guys realize this on a 30 sec internal is horrrible. it if it worked for multiple attacks like you mistakenly said above then it would have some value. as it stands 1 counter attack within 30 secs of a boss fight is trash.
most good tanks run in with HS qued and go for a ss on contact, followed by a devastate. not to mention that warriors have this move…i think its called revenge, it creates a high amount of threat now scales with ap and weirdly is useable after a dodge, block or parry. I am not prophet but tell me the move revenge isnt the same as the 6 piece tier bonus, except revenge can be used every 5 seconds…
next argument from unskilled tank please… or hunter
SUGGESTION FROM A GUILDY THAT MAKES SENSE
- the set bonus should make revenge do 200% weapon damage each time your parried
Warriors is fine it could be more cool though
All sham sets are pretty garbage and they’ve already noted they are aware
now we’ll see if they make something decent or we’ll get a +2 sp buff like every other item next phase 
as a shaman and a warrior player i agree about shaman sets as well, they are pretty whack.