Why are people so vocal about dragon flying?

No actually it doesn’t.

NO it isn’t. :woman_facepalming:

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They only added dragon riding as a way to give players a crappier version of flying, while removing the ability to fly vertically. Now they have an excuse to axe normal flying all because blizzard hates the ability to instantly fly up or down.

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Wait a sec, didn’t you previously state:

So if you’re “not playing” while flying, how is that content? Make up your mind.

/sigh. :roll_eyes:

Your opinion is noted.

I personally disagree with your opinion, and will be disregarding it from here forward.

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There have been plenty of arguments about it not being OP so I’m not going to bother.

But here’s the difference between you and me. You don’t like normal flying and want it removed so everyone has to play your way. I don’t like dragon flying and want it to stay along with normal flying so people can choose which mode they want to use.

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No, i implied you were being ableist for thinking people who don’t find it easy means they probably lack motor skills. You’ve literally said this… :point_down:


I’m guessing you taking a quick look at my armory before you said something so silly is out of the question here? :point_down:

I don’t care if either of us to be easy, that’s not the issue and you know it. What issue i take is your attitude that you think it’s a character flaw on them for finding difficulty in what you like. It’s the ad-hom i’m taking the issue with. On top of you just being disingenuous here.

I’m not going to put down people like you have if they find difficulty in Dragonflying, and quite frankly, your attitude is a liability in this community.

Says the person who didn’t bother taking 5 seconds to look at my armory before making a massive fool of himself. :roll_eyes: You’re the reason why people are calling Pro-dragonriders Ableist, and yet you’re still choosing to be willingly obtuse to that.

To quote one of the ladies from Iggy Azalea’s Black Widow music video… “what did the fox say? Nothing.”

We haven’t have talents like we have in Dragonflight since Cata. That’s like 12 years ago. How many people who played Cata back then, still play today vs the new players to remember such a thing?

Plus, where did you state that the change has to be new? Swapping from the “new” talents to the old talents is still a change and… this isn’t even the old talents.

What Talent system in the past allows us 2 talent trees to change (the class and the spec) at practically anytime out of combat, save the loadouts and share them about easily?

Dynamic dailies, but i guess that doesn’t count because you boiled things down.

By your logic, Dragonriding is just blizzard’s vehicle controls. By your logic, nothing has changed.

And considering you have not answered my question on why you think Appeal to Novelity isn’t a fallacy (though, reading ahead on where you make a comment about quitting threads, i think i’l let that slide), Here’s more changes that i like;

  • No mission tables
  • Bigger zones,
  • A nice non symmetrical looking city
  • a nice little choice between picking Wrathion and Sabb-what’shisface on which dailies you want to do
  • fishing events
  • adventure mode

… and there might be more, but i can’t think of at the moment.

Honestly speaking, the only change i really dislike is the pace of the game. Like we went from WoW on fast forward to pretty much slowly aping any Superhero game given how breakneckingly fast we go, and it’s not because of Dragonriding… Infact, if anything, Dragonflight made me realized there’s a lot more things that didn’t change i didn’t like then those that did change. One of them being not getting Torghast’s autoloot, because even with the interact key enabled, it gets super tiring real quick. Or how the ground gameplay, really haven’t advanced all that much without hindering the controls.

…Why do you think they need to be mandatory to play? A New Class is still a change, because that means we get to play with new moves on that new class and such, and see how they effect the game.

I’ve never seen a spell where you need to charge it by holding and releasing it at any point, so… That’s something new.

And you can test Dragonriding on Beta and Alpha. Your point?

Except they have stated why it’s bad. You just dislike the reasons.

Gosh, i wonder why that is…:thinking: /s

… I’ve asked you why you think Dragonriding is the only change you think it exists in Dragonflght, when DF has much more then that.

I said they will potentially get the impression if Blizzard went that route of making that mount dragonriding. I didn’t say it is. :man_facepalming:

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Spare me the tears.

I’m just stating a fact that flicking your wrist is not an intense maneuver, no matter your age, and that if you find that difficult, you have motor skill issues in need of being checked out.

So you got no actual agrument then.

Nah, this is facts bro. :point_down:

Also, you said nothing about flicking the wrist prior. That’s you moving the goalposts because you realized you’re dealing with somebody who has the same skills as you do, who disagrees with your attitude here and finds it a terrible attitude to have.

Try actually helping people for once instead of putting them down. :roll_eyes:

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So, let me get this straight. You’re totally not ableist… You just believe in and say ableist things? Gotcha.

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Mate thinks i can’t do it even atfer i shown my all races gold achievement. :laughing:

Funny enough, i too think dragonriding is easy. But unlike the fox, i’m not going to put anybody down if they find it difficult. I would tell them some neat little things i’ve found out on my own, like how you can just apply the points in the menu instead of going to a trainer. Or give them some addons to help with. :slight_smile:

Because i know not everybody is the same or will have an easy time with it. :man_shrugging:

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What argument? There’s nothing to argue.

Didn’t know I had to, considering the topic. I’m not breaking down everything I say for the lowest common denominator.

It’s not even needed inside the centaur dungeon, as there is a series of flight points there. They just happen to be really slow.

You’re right, there is no argument that your ad-homs (or as you disingenuously disguise them as “tHe tRuTh”) was ever necessary.

Hence why i said you’re moving the goalposts.

If you seriously think helping people is “breaking down everything i say for the lowest common denominator”, then you’re a troll.

I enjoy it but I see it like garrisons it will go away and be abandoned which is a waste of dev time and it’s turned out to be a neat feature.

You can’t be this bad at reading, I refuse to believe it.

Gonna muzzle you for a bit, k? I’ll undo it if I feel like it.

Nah, that’s a lie.

Well if all i see is nonsense from you, then there’s nothing to read i guess.

Didn’t you say…

…And yet you’re still muppet mouthing off anyways?..

Well you have nothing of value to say yourself to me anyways since it’s clear you’re an ableist so… muzzle way while you go “wHy aLl ThEsE pEpOlE KeEp cAlLinG mE AbLeist.” while insulting or even harassing somebody who didn’t find Dragonriding easy… Meanwhile, we wonder why you’re a part of this community when all you do is make us look worse.

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Tbh, i rather it not go in the direction of Artifact weapons where it overstays it’s welcome.

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I personally think it’s okay for Dragonriding, a new mechanic to WoW, to have some entry-level mode. For what it’s worth, it wasn’t like Pathfinder. It honestly felt better than WOTLK to me because flying (of some kind) was available immediately.

While not special in the grand scheme of things, I did greatly enjoy recharging Vigor in the specific scenario where there was another player who needed to recharge Vigor. We both silently agreed “Yep, I’m here for this damn glyph too… so how was your day so far?” 30sec later, and I never saw them again. But that little interaction is special in the sense that Dragonriding glyphs created that funny moment.

Hunting the glyphs didn’t feel oppressive or like it overstayed its welcome to me. I like that it’s account wide; and I think at its base form Dragonriding being available along with regular flying will simply end most complaints about Dragonriding as a system.

My wife was complaint about it yesterday. She even started using her ground mounts and flight paths.

I looked at her and told her”I get its new and having to think while you fly is different. You shouldn’t just right it off if you haven’t taken the time to at least learn how to do correctly.” Now if she learns it and still hates it then she isn’t a fan.

I am betting that this is the fate of Dragonriding. It will either be abandoned or severely nerfed with added time gates or restrictions.

I took my time getting to dragon riding. What I discovered is something I haven’t experienced in over 50 years. I found myself throwing up in the trash can as I tried to learn dragon riding. Now I have no desire to play at all. Thanks blizzard you cured my WOW addiction with SL, and my desire with forced dragon riding. I know that at least 5 people will be asking for my stuff. As my parents taught me if you didn’t earn it you can’t have it. You all go on and enjoy your dragon riding. For me I’ll just start appreciating the nature around me again. My sub fee can be better used as a donation for organizations like wounded warriors.

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