Why are people so obsessed with Hunter being melee?

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

The issue with that statement was when it came to classic, almost nothing worked the way it was intended which is one reason why it took years after its release for people to understand what they were even doing in the first place

Then Blizzard started with reworking each class and started woth Hunters first. One of those changes was removing Survival last ability Lacerate, cause it was such a weak melee ability, and replaced it with a much more use full range ability Wyvern Sting.

After 1.7 Blizzard had decided that Hunters would focus on range combat and use melee as a defensive when they could not be in range. Players took it on themselves to create a melee spec from what was left, and played around with the trees until they created a Hunter that was focused on melee combat, but still performed poorly at it.

[Toxiktraktør-thrall]

it is what it is

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

But performance is all that’s important. If you’re enjoying what you have then it doesn’t matter what others think.

Melee Hunters were rare and that made them unique from range Hunters. There’s videos of Hunters using melee combat to kill raid bosses.

[Toxiktraktør-thrall]

@Ogdenir-alleria

But performance is all that’s important.

Depending on what you are doing yes.

@Ogdenir-alleria

If you’re enjoying what you have then it doesn’t matter what others think

Agreed

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

Depending on what you are doing yes.

If it’s to have fun is what I ment.

[Asthelon-area-52]

hourly reminder sv is melee and spending all day arguing about a 8 year old change is not something a reasonable person would do

[Plzrespond-dalaran]

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

you are talking about the sandbox days of WoW.

WoW was never a sandbox MMO

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

You could make all kinds of builds.

You could use attack power gear on your mage but that would not make them into a physical dps. The game allowing you to gear wrong does not equal the game supporting a bunch of builds.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

I could use full spell power gear on my hunter and out damage an actual boomkin.

Boomkin is not really a good benchmark for dps sense they would go oom mid fights, was a meme spec and the only reason for you to bring a boomkin was so that you could get that spellcrit aura.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

Survival was fully capable of being full on melee back in the original version of the game.

It was not, if you went into a raid melee people would laugh at you, melee hunters was a meme in orginal vanilla that was only played by people that did not know how the game worked.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

Warriors can use shattering throw, so does that mean they are a ranged class?

No it does not since their kit was focused on being melee, just as hunters kit was focusd on staying ranged no matter how you speced.

@Plzrespond-dalaran

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

At what point here have I lied? I will wait.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

@Bepples-barthilas

It was a solid spec when it was ranged with Explosive Shot from WotLK to WoD

Marksmen can use it too now, so you are free to live out that dumb playstyle again

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

@Plzrespond-dalaran

Explosive shot is a completly different ability today than it was then

I really hate to be the guy to tell you this, but literally every spell in the game is a different ability in some way then when it was first introduced in some way.

@Plzrespond-dalaran

You were the one suggesting picking explosive shot for MM to replace survival. And while spells change alot of them still fill the same space in rotations. Explosive shot is one of the abilities that no longer does that, plus a large draw of old explosive shot was how good it felt with lock and load procs which it no longer has access to aswell.

you really on the stuff tonight if this is what you wanna roll with.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

Im pretty sure I have always said MM was pretty much a rsv clone. The specs for the most part merged in legion so now you have what you want just not how you like it. This isnt a lie, but you tried.

Gonna need to make up your mind mate, and no WoD survival and MM did not merge in Legion. Legion MM was completly different from WoD MM.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

Because it was. Just because it was bad didnt mean it wasnt meant for more melee then sitting 40yards away.

Playing a spec wrong does not make it an intended build. There are videos om people playing melee BM hunter in MoP with glaive toss and kill command but that did not make BM into a melee spec.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

You are free to leave at anytime little man, but you wont.

I made this thread since i was wondering why the idea of hunters being melee comes up so much in discussion when talking about new specs and changes to hunter. I was curios since range is obviously more popular. If you look at the thread im not arguing with anyone staying they prefer melee, everyone has different tastes. Im only arguing when people make thinks up. And its not some giant task to take 2 mins out of my day to correct you when you are wrong.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

Despite it being my favorite spec, I have literally never once phrased the spec on the forums and dumb dumbs like you always say I do lmfao. It just shows you are seething because I dont have issues with it like you do.

I have not said anything wheter it should be melee or not in this thread infact the only thing i’ve said on this subject is.

@Plzrespond-dalaran

I know its adjacent to the subject but could be please avoid turning the entire thread into a discussion whether Survival should be melee or ranged. All that can be said on that subject has been said a thousand times already.

But i will correct you when you try to change history to justify the present.

@Toxiktraktør-thrall

if you pay attention to how the play style was from the old days to how it is now, you would see its just revamped to a current version of what it once was.

Again its not.

@Bepples-barthilas

Just focus on how he used to always correctly describe classic SV as a ranged spec and even saying he preferred the WotLK Explosive Shot SV over MM until he decided that he liked melee SV so he needed to rewrite history to defend it:

Ye this is starting the feel bizarre, make things up, then lie about making things up, then lie about the lying. Its starting to feel like some sort of victim complex, i’ve never brought up what should be done about current survival but they cant help themself to continue trying to argue about it and then act like they are attacked.

[Asthelon-area-52]

hourly reminder survival is melee and writing all the history lessons in the world will not change that

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

Hunters lack survivability, and do not have any strong damage mitigation abilities.

[Asthelon-area-52]

@Ogdenir-alleria

Hunters lack survivability

this has not been true for months

@Ogdenir-alleria

strong damage mitigation abilities.

Fortitude of the Bear, Survival of the Fittest, and Aspect of the Turtle are all strong damage mitigation abilities.

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The only defensive weakness Hunters have is rot damage.

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

@Asthelon-area-52

this has not been true for months

Hunters lack survivability, and do not have any strong damage mitigation abilities.

@Asthelon-area-52

Fortitude of the Bear, Survival of the Fittest, and Aspect of the Turtle are all strong damage mitigation abilities.

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The only defensive weakness Hunters have is rot damage.

Hunters lack survivability, and do not have any strong damage mitigation abilities.

[Asthelon-area-52]

I don’t think you read my post?

Not only do Hunters have an above average HP pool (Endurance Training + Rejuv Winds), we also have Fortitude of the Bear, Survival of the Fittest, and Aspect of the Turtle. On top of a very frequent large self heal.

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

Hunters lack survivability, and do not have any strong damage mitigation abilities.

[Asthelon-area-52]

I’m sorry but if you seriously think Hunters lack defensives in october of 2023 it very well may be a user issue. having 3 separate defensives on top of a giant hp pool is not “lacking survivability”.

shaman are lacking survivability. devastation is lacking in survivability. in no way are hunters lacking survivability

[Heliôs-frostmourne]

repeating it over and over doesn’t make it true

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

Hunters lack survivability, and need stronger damage mitigation abilities.

[Asthelon-area-52]

average ranged hunter fan

[Ogdenir-alleria (Ogdenir)]

Hunters lack survivability, and need to have stronger damage mitigation abilities.

[Heliôs-frostmourne]

Damn what wow does to your brain I guess

[Heliôs-frostmourne]

Are you going to elaborate as to why you think this is true or are you just going to continue to stick your head in the sand and act like a child