Just now need to allow SV to dual wield, and it be another step closer.
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yes and that really implies it was for close combat
yes, you pull the target, put on aspect of the monkey, counter attack when needed and raptor strike away. I killed Mcconnel this way.
you said I was angry. I made fun of you for assuming that but now its im doing this myself? lol k
This is what you are doing currently. I point out hyperacuity, bad arguments, dumb talking points and alt accounts always want to get upset over it so now I MUST be gaslighting. Just shut up and quit complaining maybe and I would never respond to you?
At what point here have I lied? I will wait.
It does not, Demonology Warlocks had Firestones that gave them fire dmg on melee attacks and talents to improve it, that did not make them a melee spec. Holy paladins have conceration but that does not make it a dps spec. Holy priest have talents to improve smite and holy fire but that did not make it a dps spec. Early balance had talents to increase dmg you dealt with melee weapons but that did not make them into melee. Combat rogues had a talent to improve their thrown weapon but that did not make them a range dps. Enhancement had alot of talents for block and parry with high threat on earth shock but that did not make them into tanks.
You are talking about Classic WoW here, Classic operates on the 1.12 patch where survivals capstone was wyvern sting, the final ability on the tree is ranged but you still wanna call it a melee spec.
You keep trying to deny that you said that explosive shot in MM is a replacement for old survival. You keep saying that classic survival was melee when it lcearly wasnt. No one is forcing you to post in this thread, and if you wanna talk about why you like melee survival you are more than welcome but stop making things up, its a video game not life or death.
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talking about a 20 year old game that has no barring on the current game is pointless btw. SV is melee and is staying melee.
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I agree that it is a moot poin in the discussion if Survival was melee or not in 1.1 but im not a fan of trying to rewrite history to justify the present.
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itâs not rewriting history to say âoutdoorsmanshipâ / survival was the melee focused specilization in classic. ALL of the melee abilities and talents were classified as survival in beta/1.1 etc.
again, completely moot, because itâs currently a melee spec and has been one since august 2016
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Yes it focused on melee but it did not make you a melee dps as you still wanted to remain at range whenever you could.
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Okay, cool, it was still the melee spec and had all the melee abilities. Now it is the melee spec and will stay that way. Glad we can have the same discussion every day since aug 2016
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You said it did not matter and then you went and tried to argue for it anyway lol. But i will say the same thing as i said before.
The classics talent trees were a mess. Picking out talents from them to argue what the spec was is pointless. Its how you played when you specced into the spec that matters. And if youbwent deep survival you still attacked from ranged, you still would not prefer to be in melee.
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I wonder if the âSurvival was a melee spec in Classicâ crowd knows that the one melee damage talent in the tree, Savage Strikes, was often taken by MM and BM PvP builds as well. Because it was a situational PvP buff.
They probably donât. They donât know a lot of things.
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you are talking about the sandbox days of WoW. You could make all kinds of builds. I could use full spell power gear on my hunter and out damage an actual boomkin. Survival was fully capable of being full on melee back in the original version of the game.
Warriors can use shattering throw, so does that mean they are a ranged class? Or rogues using guns, or like I said hunters using spell power as rogues too. The point is it was a sandbox
Im pretty sure I have always said MM was pretty much a rsv clone. The specs for the most part merged in legion so now you have what you want just not how you like it. This isnt a lie, but you tried.
Because it was. Just because it was bad didnt mean it wasnt meant for more melee then sitting 40yards away.
Nobody is forcing you to throw a tantrum as a response to anything I say. You are free to leave at anytime little man, but you wont.
Despite it being my favorite spec, I have literally never once phrased the spec on the forums and dumb dumbs like you always say I do lmfao. It just shows you are seething because I dont have issues with it like you do. Its just a video game not life or death.
if you pay attention to how the play style was from the old days to how it is now, you would see its just revamped to a current version of what it once was.
Sorry but that is a fallacy. Hunterâs talent trees were to focus on cutomizing your class. You did not get your specification until you reached your 31st point.
Each branch covered an aspect of that class, and Hunters were a mixture of Range, Pet, and Melee combat. You would take talents from each tree to improve your one of those categories.
Survival was just as it described to help you survive, and this is why it was focused on melee, traps, movement, and increasing damage against npcs. If you had actually only focused on the Survival tree you be lacking a huge amount of your potential.
To create a melee hunter in classic demanded a large amount of effort and a mixture of talents from each tree. Your main attacks would be Raptor Strike, Auto Attack, and Mongoose Bite as your strongest. You would also have Wing-Clip to root and Counter Attack but only became active after parrying an opponentâs attack that you can force with Deterrence. Then you also would want to Apect dance between Aspect of the Monkey to improve your dodge chances, or Aspect of the Beast to increase your melee damage. Also had increase your skill level with different melee weapons to not miss a hit.
For talents you would want to spend most of them on Beast Mastery tree (31) as your pet would be crucial to your success in surviving. While you would put most of the others focused on Survival tree (20) to boost your melee damage abilities.
Even after all of this effort your damage would be quite lack luster as most of Hunterâs melee abilities were just for getting out of melee combat. There a strong trend with most of Hunterâs original melee abilities that they either had a slow or root effect add on to them.
Melee combat might of been an interesting concept for Hunters, but it was never a desire for them to put all their effort into it. Even if Survival was the melee tree it still was not a viable play-style. Melee was for those who like the novelty or just a more challenging game.
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Just focus on how he used to always correctly describe classic SV as a ranged spec and even saying he preferred the WotLK Explosive Shot SV over MM until he decided that he liked melee SV so he needed to rewrite history to defend it:
- âI will be showing you how it is actually not a melee spec, believe it or not.â
- âSurvival was never about being a melee spec. It was all pretty much getting the hell out of there.â
- âAs Iâve said before, this is not an actual melee spec. A lot of people want to believe it is but itâs not.â
- âYouâre not necessarily a melee spec. I donât care what anybody says. Youâre still a ranged spec. Youâll always be a ranged spec playing a Hunter.â
- âIt was never really a melee spec no matter what anybody says.â
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I feel like we been here before.
I made it work though. I farmed alot of battle grounds playing melee hunter and it wasnt the worst thing in the world. It may not of been for everyone, but certainly wasnt impossible. So whenever I see people saying it wasnt a thing, it absolutely was. They just didnt experiment with it or think it was possible, same as spell hunter. I got told it was so bad but it melted players in pvp. Serpent sting alone did over half of a players health in ticks with the gear I was playing with. js
He however has been arguing that he made this video for purely jokes. The validity of his statement cannot be certain, but it was very informative either way.
Melee Hunters only existed by playing outside of what the class was designed for. It required more effort than if someone just played it as a range class. Classic offered more opportunities for how you wanted to play.
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I wonder if this guide is also âhilarious satireâ for saying exactly the same things about classic SV.
âI was just jokingâ is the go-to response for dishonest people to excuse hypocrisy/flip-flopping. Politicians do it all the time. A nonsense claim when the videos were just factually correct information about classic SV.
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Blizzard had plans to make Survival a melee spec in early beta and carried that intention over to live with Survival last point Lacerate. However, it became clear early that Hunters were just not designed around melee combat and dropped this plan by patch 1.7. Than even further cemented that concept with removing all Hunters melee abilities in Mist.
It took them 12 years in Legion to revisit the idea again and make a melee spec that would be capable of working successfully. However, this was decided by Adam Kugler who had been FX artist for World of Warcraft before getting handed the reins to all the playable classes.
So as I stated once Melee Hunters only exists cause someone thought outside of the the original design for Hunters.
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because millennials
Because it was. It was never meant to be taken seriously or gain attention. I made the videos for luls with my friends and Bepples was the one who blew them up to be something they werent.
The issue with that statement was when it came to classic, almost nothing worked the way it was intended which is one reason why it took years after its release for people to understand what they were even doing in the first place
well I am not nor have I ever been a guide. So this is dumb to even compare
Maybe just maybe, It was just that⌠A joke. Also Im not a politician so you gotta stop jumping to extremes to make stupid points. I just made fun of the playstyle and you got upset by it when no one else did. You at that point chose to ignore the explanation of the video because you already made up your mind without knowing the facts about the reason the video was made. When it comes down to it you are just going off your own emotions instead of paying attention to what I say. The channel wasnt serious. It never was. It also doesnt matter. Its also a dead channel. I also no longer upload on there nor have I in a few years. Let it go already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRvGF49QvXo Mind you, Bepples REALLY belives this to be taken seriously. And I made this before I met him.