they already have that capability via PTR so i doubt it would cost them much development wise.
start with a premade char(lvl 60) or port characters from classic would be the best way to do it. adding it to classic would just baffle me with how bad a business decision it would be on top of many players preferring the option to play both separately
I loved Flying in TBC. Heck, I loved TBC period. Looking through Nostalgia goggles, it was the most fun I’ve had with WoW. After WotLK our group just kind of drifted, until Recently.
Thanks for that Classic!
But yeah, I’m all for TBC .
The only issue I have with making separate servers is that the population I feel isn’t large enough to support such a thing, the more people we separate the more frustrating gathering man power for raids will become
blizzard just needs to wake up and merge servers sooner when pops become an issue imo. you can only use the community excuse so often especially on this version of the game. ----btw, this is a major factor in people not wanting to transfer off full servers in the first place.
either way though, if they add burning crusades the players that want to play it will and those that don’t will just stop playing if forced by adding it to classic.
I can say for certain, i want to play tbc but i will stop playing the second i find out classic isn’t permanent and i won’t bother with tbc because i’ll know they’ll just throw on wotlk at some point.
I do not want to go through the entire reset every 2 years thing ever again.
Seriously, I have seen people make points against flying. Now, maybe you haven’t seen them but I suspect you didn’t consider it valid.
More importantly, I have seen an argument which convinces me that flying should be added.
They are not going to throw BC servers on top of current Classic WoW and get rid of Vanilla.
They just brought back Vanilla with WoW Classic. Throwing BC on top of it will just lead to people asking AGAIN for Vanilla servers. Why would they get rid of it AGAIN and just repeat that entire process???
Outlands is so vast and large of a zone that some areas need flying just to make it tolerable to travel, this was their main intentions I believe to integrate the zone with the brand new flying mechanic… so if we had BC without flying it would be a bad time for sure
They can easily do TBC without causing any issues to people who want to stay in vanilla.
Free character transfers from Vanilla servers to the new TBC server’s to keep your character progression going. Vanilla and TBC server’s existing seperate from eachother, and while I fly around and kill gruul and illidan, yall can walk or whatever.
TBC is the single greatest expansion in the history of WoW. It revolutionized the game. It kept true to many old concepts from Vanilla. It improved upon many less than ideal game play experiences, and it brought about an unprecedented level of subscriptions.
That being said, it was also the beginning of the downward spiral that has led us to BFA. Vanilla was engaging to players because it was this hugely vast world that was open and full of secrets to explore. It was so massive that even after 2+ years there was secrets still hidden that players had never discovered. It was dangerous. TBC was much the same. However it also brought about changes that, at the time, were widely heralded as massive improvements. Yet over time those championed changes were what has driven away much of the player base.
Flying mounts, while beloved by many, diminished the size and danger of the world by allowing players to fly above and away from the world at 280 or even 310% speed. Jettisoning from raid to raid on a PvP server without seeing so much as a single mob or cross faction player made the world feel small, tame, and less immersive.
The introduction of smaller raids lowered the need for large guilds and large, yet tightly knit communities. Why have 100+ people in your guild to fill 2 raid teams with a few alternates when you could have 30 people fill an entire guild and use their alts to fill raids to gear out mains? Why bring along 40 players (half of which were probably not very good anyway) when you could find 24 solid players and run weekly raids without anyone else’s help?
Heroic dungeons. Heroic ****ing dungeons. People loved them, but their daily boss quests had a direct contribution to the speed clearing nonsense you see in mythic+ today.
Arenas. Many many many players were so incredibly excited for arenas. Finally a level playing field where you and 1-4 friends could form a team, make a name, queue up, and prove your worth against other less fortunate souls. When in reality TBC arenas was all about bringing the best meta team composition. It was about who could pillar jump the best. It was eventually led to the destruction of class identity due to people not wanting to see the ‘meta comps’ running the show.
Raid and dungeon bosses began to get more and more mechanics for each fight in TBC. This was welcomed because by the end of pre-TBC there was groups of 5 people defeating Onyxia, a 40 man raid. However this too has lead us to the current queen azshara mythic raid with (how many???) so many mechanics in the fight you damn near need an encyclopedia opened telling you what to do.
TBC was a game breaking, phenomenal expansion that ushered in a new era of WoW. For many it was some of the best time they ever had while playing WoW. However it was also the beginning of the end. That being said, I personally think the safest bet for Blizzard when Classic is hitting a content drought after Naxx, is to release TBC. Any classic+ content simply has too large of a chance for failure.
may want to read my previous comment. pretty much what i said and have been saying for awhile. O.o
old world is dead over night
arenas to kill off Wpvp
flying to kill off Wpvp
10 new levels…epic, bro
space goats and pretty elves
more welfare epics
different levels of difficulty for dungeons
Ill admit raid/ class design got better. thats it.
It’s likely even if they do go with TBC, they will still keep Classic servers untouched for people like yourself who aren’t interested in that path.
The most likely scenario is some sort of transfer or character copy to a fresh TBC server.
TBC was awful, I really disliked it. All my gear from Vanilla became useless, Arenas became a thing, Netherstorm was added, resilience was added, Rogues got Shadow Dance which was atrocious and still is. Everyone’s HP and stats went up massively for no reason. Dailies. And Flying. Jesus dear God, it was bad then and it’s bad now.
Now Wrath of the Lich King: That was how to do an expansion, that was amazing. The story was great and PvP balance wasn’t quite so sketchy anymore.
I actually read your entire comment the 1st time before I responded to it.
Flying would be ok if casters and ranged weapons could dismount you at any time. It was just more “oh screw that world pvp jazz” added in.
What’s wrong with being a dick to randos?
Given what we have now in classic, id welcome tbc, but only early tbc before nerfs and catchup gear.
I disagree with people saying it’s too early to even discuss it.
You do not need to wait until classic has run all 6 phases to have Classic TBC.
Many of us aren’t that fond of Classic or BfA but would like some other version of the game to play.
They’d be separate servers. Bring on Classic TBC ASAP IMO. There’s way too many people on the classic servers for them to do 0 layering. Get us to go somewhere else.
Also, as far as flying goes, flying didn’t kill WPvP or even harm it. WPvP died because of faction balance and was 100% server specific. It died at different times on different servers depending on how badly your faction balance was (and it only got worse and worse over time as the smaller faction migrated elsewhere). TBC even had flying guards around towns and cities. There are items to dismount people in the air. You could even kill people way up out of range of those items with dot classes if you knew what you were doing.
Plenty of people just don’t like TBC like they do Classic.
People campaigned for years to have Vanilla WoW not TBC. Now that we finally have Classic people want to get rid of it again.
It’s fine if you like TBC but it’s a bit ridiculous to suggest there aren’t any valid reasons to prefer Classic. Some examples…
TBC made a lot of content relevant and ultimately made the world seem much smaller because so few zones mattered.
Flying. Not as ridiculous in TBC as later expansions but it still butchered world PvP at end game.
Ally Shaman, Horde Pallys.
Resilience. Having your hard work in PvE or PvP not be useful in the other not a good feeling.
These are subject things and there are plenty of things I could name I personally like about TBC.
But what version of WoW people like best is obviously a subjective thing.
As for my own personal opinion I absolutely do not want TBC. It’s just heading back to BFA again. And if you stop with TBC why stop there instend of stopping in Classic or WOTLK? And if you so stop in WOTLK do you then diverge? If you’re going to diverge it’s best to do some from the beginning imo. And if you are going to just stop and have a permanent version of the game… whelp people overwhelmingly asked for Vanilla not TBC or WOTLK.
Exactly!
The Vanilla players are being VERY SELFISH right now.
They got Classic, and they don’t others to get Classic TBC. SELFISH
They can go play on their Vanilla servers aka Classic. And we can go play on the TBC Classic servers.
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