People aren’t seeing the forest through the trees.
The question being answered is, “give me one good reason why we shouldn’t have dual spec?”. The general idea is that there is none at the SURFACE level.
It’s not about gold. It’s not about good or bad. It’s not about what’s wrong or right. Dual Spec is a core feature of another expansion - Wrath. It was not a core feature in TBC. It’s really that simple. Every expansion had some sort of identity associated with it. Pro dual spec people are now blurring that.
Is it that difficult to see why people would be against the change? Seriously?
Edit: I can’t believe being that people are older now, they still can’t see the bigger picture and be a little bit more objective about things.
It 100% has backing. Just because Blizzard continues to butcher TBCC doesn’t mean that people don’t have grounds to be upset about it. This is TBC. People would like to keep it that way as much as possible. You don’t understand that? Just like when Wrath comes, people would like to keep that as much as possible.
People need to start acting their age.
Edit: People need to stop being so selfish, and realize that if they want certain features they need to wait. It’s not hard. Accept the game for what it is. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. It’s very simple. But be an adult about it.
I don’t see how anyone would think dual spec was a core feature of Wrath, as opposed to you know Northrend and the Lich King… I don’t think dual spec was ever even directly advertised.
Sure #nochanges is a position. And in Classic it was also blizzard’s position.
TBC Classic is not Classic however and blizzard’s stance has changed. And no I’ve never pretended that any version of WoW has been perfect, so given the opportunity to improve my experience I surely will speak up and not just take whatever. I’ll do the same in Wrath.
typically, they dont play more than 1 spec and want to force their crap on other people, or theyre just trolls who play the forums more than they play the game.
I realize you’re new to this discussion, but the folks who are #nochanges have primarily been the ones reducing the discussion to ad hominems. The ability to process context clues is not inherent in children, but is learned through years of education, reading, vocabulary, trial and error, and deductive reasoning.
The fact that we can take 2+2 (changes have been made, plus Patrick Dawson stating that they will continue to develop TBC alongside the community) and make 4, where others are taking 2+2 and making 2, (changes have been made, but they will not make more changes) is a fundamental problem with how people accept reality.
There is absolutely nothing to say that we’re going to get dual spec (wrath style), dual spec with no change to gold cost (player profiles) or something else. There’s also nothing to say that we won’t.
The community council forums are a great example of how serious blizzard is at asking for opinions, and how they have considered (and not yet made a final decision) changes to other aspects of TBC - Zipzo likes to point out that they aren’t nerfing Battle Chicken; but the last post from Blizzard literally says that they aren’t nerfing it yet and will be making a decision soon. My personal guess is that they’ll look at how much people use it in BT/Hyjal to bypass mechanics (speed kills) and make their determination then.
If you’re being completely unbiased and objective, you’ll respect the feelings of those who would like to see no changes, and also accept that there have been and will be more changes. You can rally against the ones you don’t want to see implemented (all of them if that’s your feeling) but you cannot in good faith say that the current implementation is a “Faithful Recreation” of TBC - because it just isn’t. Ignoring evidence that proves you wrong is a form of cognitive dissonance, which is an actual diagnoses that folks may want to seek help for.
The reality is - people are trolling, denigrating, and belittling the ‘struggles’ of their fellow gamers which in a community game with a declining population - makes everything worse for all.
Do I think Dual Spec will help TBC? Absolutely. In my opinion, do I think it’s a “good” feature? Yes. Do I think it belongs in TBCC? No.
Let’s keep TBC as intact as possible. Just like when Wrath comes out, let’s keep that as intact as possible. And for the record, I despise every version of WoW that isn’t Vanilla.
But let’s not pretend that people who don’t want dual spec have no “grounds” to not want it.
Dual spec comes in 2 patches anyway. There is zero reason to be opposed to it at this point. The opposition is purely to be contrarian and annoying, and all of their arguments have been made completely moot by other, far more egregious issues with the game.
And that’s a fair enough position, there’s obviously people who just want the pure nostalgias experience and obviously some people who don’t particularly care. Those are simply opposed positions on principle.
The issues arise when people try to fabricate issues with dual spec.
As someone who plays a class that can heal and tank, i find it annoying when im spamming to find a healer for 25 min when i could simply click a button and switch to my heal spec if i found a tank.
Dual-spec does not ruin the TBC experience, it is one of the quality of life changes added in shortly after TBC. It does not alter the community experience of TBC that you get from being on an enclosed realm.
I do not support cross-realm grouping though. That changes the way you experience the game entirely and your realm is no longer a community.
But. I would like to say that it is only in heroics/dungeons where it is not easy to find a tank or healer. There are plenty of tanks and healers to fill those spots in raid groups. It’s just that for every three tanks in a raid group, there are 15-17 dps spots. So, of course you’re gonna have more people running around the world as dps than a tank.
I dont think the game is dying because its hard to find a tank/healer for a heroic.
And being able to change your spec on a whim with no consequences changes the game entirely because you interface with your character in a completely different way.
You can’t be for a change in one hand while being against a change in the other for the exact same reason.