Depends. Are you acknowledging the double standard the narrative places on genocide depending on the the tabard color, or no?
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there’s no -th in the biblical version of the name. but tenebrae’s point is that the name wasn’t originally associated with the world, which makes all of that speculation pretty dubious.
I think it should be narratively no more wrong to genocide elves, humans, draenei or any other sapient race as it is to genocide races like kobolds, gnomes, nerubians, gnomes, trolls, or gnomes. On the negative side, this logically will make Anduin sad, and then the writers will need write several more patches’ worth of material of him dealing with his sadness.
absolutely terrifying
His original point was “by wrath of the lich king” and by then I assure you, the name was associated with the world.
Idk what Metzen’s plans were when he was just playing Warhammer fantasy with Morheim eating hot pockets and drawing crappy night elf fan art and I won’t try to speculate. But by Wrath there’s enough clues.
The idea that massacring slightly less intelligent species is okay with both factions should be a pretty clear indication that neither the Alliance or Horde are particularly “good”.
But a fantasy story acknowledging in-universe hypocrisy makes the “keep politics out of muh video games” crowd very upset.
Because everyone knows fiction should only be about the Good Pretty Humans killing the Evil Ugly Monsters, like what OP evidently wants.
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cart before the horse. allusions in naming conventions occur at inception, not retroactively. in other words, ‘azeroth’ really doesn’t work as an allusion to supernal deities because it originally just referred to a human kingdom, not some supposedly sentient planet-spirit
And “The Court of Azathoth” was a place in the Lovecraftian lore.
yes, i know. ‘elder gibbering idiot god’ or w/e his description is. but there’s nothing substantiating the idea of an allusion beyond a phonetic similarity. the migration of the name more probably was because they hadn’t considered the setting of the franchise by the first rts lol.
I don’t dispute any of that (except that it just sounded cool), but I think (by wrath of the lich king) there was plenty of Lovecraftian inspiration in the lore to suggest “Azeroth” becoming the name of the entire planet wasn’t just “because it sounded cool”.
yeah, i didn’t say that’s why they renamed the planet. but also, there wasn’t any lovecraftian lore in the franchise when the name first existed. i mean, what even would the intent of the allusion be? we’ve seen their references and homages to lovecraft in the lore, and they’re not exactly subtle.
Are you suggesting that they weren’t influenced (or didn’t at least see the similarities) in naming something C’thotha’thoth’lgthu?
I realize that’s hyperbolic but these guys knew of Lovecraft.
that is literally my point. c’thun is clearly a lovecraft reference. yogg-saron is clearly a lovecraft reference. the name ‘azeroth’ was created before any lovecraft reference existed, since old gods weren’t a thing in wci. are the entirety of my messages appearing to you?
Yeah. What I’m saying is that these guys didn’t have an original bone in their bodies so I don’t think they pulled “Azeroth” out of thin air, even if they didn’t know exactly how they wanted to use it yet.
i mean i guess part of the nature of speculation is that it’s sort of unfalsifiable. it doesn’t seem like the name has had literally any old god connotations in the entirety of its use; seeing as when they do make reference to lovecraft they’re pretty on the nose about it, idk that i buy the claim, but we can simply disagree lol
(rewrote for the latter sentence not to be a run-on)
Justice for all trolls. May the high elves and humans be punished.
I also don’t mean to imply that she’s an old God. Just that she sleeps and was up until recent expansions, kind of unknown. A mystery. There’s lots of fantasy inspiration for a sleeping something connected to kingdoms or cults or whatever. People have been speculating if their God figures are even aware of what goes on in the world as long as crappy things have happened in the world.
In 1 Samuel and 1 kings Ashtoreth is used. Obviously it’s presumed to mean Astarte or Asherah or whatever the northern Israel Queen of heaven was at the time.
i should specify, then: ‘lovecraftian old god connotations.’ blizz basically uses them in a near-identical way.
iirc the name appears as ‘astoret,’ if transliterated crudely, but that may be the case. either way, there’s even less phonetic similarity there, and even less reason to suppose allusion lol