Why are Nerubians and Kobolds being rehabilitated in the lore?

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Once I’m free from my mortal coil, my spiteful spirit will haunt Golden’s lineage to the end of times. Not a single person from her bloodline will be free from my presence. Not a household in their name will be left untouched. Not a single night will pass without my hateful wailing waking them up with cold sweat and broken furniture. Not one day will pass without them fearing for their sanity under my haunting gaze. Not one exorcist will banish my judgement from her condemned lineage. Even if I let go of all others issues of my life, this is the one thing I will die spiteful and resentful of.

And Christie brought that upon herself.

Don’t we have a big bad evil guy to murder every expac for that?

That’s an interesting point, actually. The Old Gods, creations of the Void Lords, turning against their creators and masters is the most Old God thing an Old God can do, considering their chaotic nature.

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idk if this is your own invention but i am very fond of it.

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what do Ra and Odyn have to do with Kobolds and Nerubians being given a more fleshed out culture?

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Like every game that can’t beat wow.

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Puts on Gul’dan mask

Everything.

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That some people will ask for a poorer setting and less nuanced racial lore simply because they cannot get over the idea that the quest-fodding mobs they’ve been killing for years are actually people is beyond my comprehension.

Sentient/sapient species are people. Expect people to act like people if you start interacting with them in a way that doesn’t involve mass murder. Like idk ?

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Yeah I just sort of always saw them as some little feral race of critters. Kind of like the Murlocs.

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Titan fanboys logic is truly something else lmao.

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Idk if it’s “victim” to the void anymore. Like how people don’t say “suffers from” autism anymore. Like, it seems like the titans say she’s a titan world soul but really she’s just a “world soul” and the alignment isn’t set in stone. Idk. Their claim over her seems tenuous at best.

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i get what you’re saying but this is an absolutely wild comparison

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This is because the Titans are otherwise portrayed as a good and life-affirming force in a considerable number of sources. We even have a hard-canon source there. (UVG) When someone like Algalon comes along, it seems more logical to me to look for an interpretation that is consistent with all the other lore, rather than to delegitimise it.

I have to admit, though, that the dialogue you posted is making it hard for me lol. I couldn’t remember it at first.

He says also this:
Algalon the Observer says: Stand back, mortals. I’m not here to fight you.
Algalon the Observer says: It is in the universe’s best interest to re-originate this planet should my analysis find systemic corruption. Do not interfere.

And I found this:

Brann Bronzebeard says: Wait a second: this doesn’t look right! Next to this blinking light… what’s this Algalon signal?
Archivum System says: Initiating query. The Algalon Failsafe is an automated emergency signal following a Prime Designate’s demise.
Brann Bronzebeard says: Prime Desigate? Where have I 'eard that before? By my grandfather’s beard, Loken is Azeroth’s Prime Designate. Loken’s death triggered this!
Archivum System says: Affirmative. Timestamp of Prime Designate Loken’s destruction coincides with signal activation.
Brann Bronzebeard says: Well? Who’s on the listening side of the signal? What’s going to happen?
Archivum System says: Searching… Destruction of Prime Designate is considered the first warning sign of systemic planetary failure. Algalon observer entity’s arrival is followed by planetary diagnostics resulting in one of two possible reply signals. Reply-code Alpha, signaling “All is well” and Reply-code Omega, signaling planetary re-origination.
Brann Bronzebeard says: Planetary re-origination? Speak plainly, ye blasted machine!
Archivum System says: The decomposition of the planet and its living organisms into base elements: metals, rocks, gases. This is followed by a period of reconstitution of each element into the original planetary blueprint.
Brann Bronzebeard says: Hear that, lads? It’s only the end of the world! Well, what are ye waiting for, ye rusty machine? Initiate Reply-code Alpha. All is well! Pints are on me!
Archivum System says: Request denied. Reply-codes built into Algalon observer entity. He is both messenger and message.
Brann Bronzebeard says: Well, what’s this Algalon going to be looking for with his diagnostics? What are our chances?
Archivum System says: Algalon diagnostics assess danger of systemic Old God corruption in planetary vital functions. Calculating chance of Omega Reply-code…
Archivum System says: Ninety-nine point nine nine percent.
Archivum System says: That’s repeating, of course.
Brann Bronzebeard says: Blast it, lads. Looks like we’ve got a fight ahead of us.

If it always follows the same principle, it looks as if there was corruption on the other planets too. Algalon acts like an emotionless AI, but one that does what it thinks is right. The raid had to defeat Algalon, but at least this kind of resistance made him realise how much the people of Azeroth value their lives. Especially when you consider this:

First enrage:
“See your world through my eyes: A universe so vast as to be immeasurable - incomprehensible even to your greatest minds.”

Turning the tables, consider what an AI in our world (irl) would have to do to avoid being destroyed if we declared it flawed.

However, it is also possible that this lore is out of date. The World Soul didn’t exist in WotLK, and Chronicle mentions Aman’thul’s motivation for creating Algalon:

“In his final act before departing, Aman’Thul commissioned the constellar Algalon the Observer to serve as the world’s celestial guardian. The possibility that the world-soul could become corrupted was one the titans could not ignore. Should that come to pass, Algalon had the power to initiate a procedure that would activate the Forge of Origination, purging the world of life and any corruption that was present.” (vol I, pg. 42)

It’s not entirely clear why this protocol should exist on other planets, especially if there are no other worldsouls.

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Titans are douchebags we been knowing that for ages and should not pretend to be surprised by the recent developments:)

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Yeah Moira being surprised at the titans releasing a giant golem to destroy the Earthen after they destroy their edicts feels a little silly when Brann is on the same continent atm. He was front and center for the whole Algalon incident, afterall. Only reason Dragon Isles didn’t have something similar built in for when the Dragons get empowered by Azeroth rather than the pantheon is probably because Tyr is an exception to their asshattery and even he did some sketchy stuff

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that or they never forsaw the dragons getting their power back

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I think the reaction at Khaz Algar is probably a bit more immediate because the Coreway leads directly to the Worldsoul. Only thing that surprises me about that is giant constructs being the response instead of something that outright purges the entire area.

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When have we even had a problem killing people anyway? I clearly recall killing humans, dwarves, gnomes, night elves, orcs, trolls, gnomes, undead, tauren, blood elves, gnomes, draenei, goblins, worgen, pandaren, and gnomes!

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Not sure that’s true.

The name Azeroth is not a good planet name without a sleeping god deep inside.

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I can’t prove it for sure, of course. But there are some indications. One is that World Souls were never mentioned before Chronicle, and that the Legion didn’t attack Azeroth because of the World Soul, but because of the Well of Eternity.

As for the name, it’s been around since Warcraft 1 as Kingdom of Azeroth / the southern continent of the Eastern Kingdoms, which is now Stormwind. I bet they extended it to the whole planet because it sounds cool or something.

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Its been long theorized to be an homage to Lovecraft (the name of Azeroth has similarities to Azathoth and “The Court of Azathoth”) and considering the old God lore connections to Lovecraft, I’d imagine that a sleeping old one was very likely originally connected (to that name at least) since the beginning. Certainly, it could have been an homage to the Canaanite deity referenced in the Bible as Astoreth, but since there’s more Lovecraft in WoW i’d bet not.

Obviously it’s all speculation, but I would wager “the planet being named after a being” is about as old as the planet having that name and terms like “world soul” grew out of that a little more slowly and organically so didn’t pop up right away.

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