I get the intent but this is just such an… American way of thinking. It’s pretty easy to tell what societies you consider evil, and ones you don’t, but no society lasts forever. Even by your presumed standards, the “evil” Roman Empire lasted for 500 years. The Byzantine Empire, 1,000.
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Stormwind has had what, two?
Not that wow alliance is anything like pre wow alliance.
it’s literally impossible for wow alliance to lose outside of mandatory “Both sides lose” plotlines.
EG: Tirisfal/Teldrassil
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Blizzard declared the horde the loser and we didn’t recover. I want some justice for the Bfa plot
Blizz and everyone else, except the same five people who keep screaming about justice have all moved on from BfA. The last patch in Dragonflight was the closing saga on that.
It’s over. Move on already.
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No. Make the alliance lose.
Rather not make anyone loose. It fixes nothing.
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It does. Alliance players getting a taste of their own medicine.
Hope you never get content ever again erevien.
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It’s not fair that only the Horde suffered so many changes while not a single alliance NPC died.
That was a lot of slurry.
Anyway, it’s a far fetched dream but I’d love to play a nerubian.
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probably. it’s really not hard to see what they were trying for with the old gods, and how recent iterations of their lore reflects those efforts as well as muddy water reflects anything.
Was a better one in all reality.
But he does have a point. Because right now the Horde feels like the whipping boy of Warcraft. How do you convince the Horde they are not that?
We had BFA which was literally certain writers taking out their frustrations on the Horde. Then several expansion where they were either guilt tripped for being Horde or simply ignored. Mostly ignored. How do you change their mind?
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I’ve asked that a couple times. How does blizz make a heroic Horde, especially after the events of BfA, that isn’t completely tone deaf?
Because I have no answer for that and apparently neither does blizz, because they aren’t and haven’t been trying to answer it. I honestly don’t know what blizz should do.
BfA pretty thoroughly trashed any concept of the horde being the good guys.
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The first step would be to stop this neutrality crap and focus on the factions and the cultures inside them in detail. Because right now we have several races like the orcs and the forsaken that don’t even know what the hell they are any more.
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The forsaken always suffered from not knowing what they are though. Every expansion they go from Scourge Lite to Scourge Cosplayers to Sad skeletons who will fall apart if they clap.
And the orcs had a whole heritage questline not to long ago that did a pretty good job.
But, see how NOBODY has an answer though? Not even you. All you could muster was Neutrality bad as if that’s going to fix the hordes image.
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I agree, but both sides have to be willing to overlook or even applaud atrocities (or play both sides and just accept what the story is) because those atrocities need to exist as a call to action.
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I’m all for the horde getting better writing. And the question I posed is a genuine one. It’s a tough situation blizz is in by trying to make horde players feel heroic again, without having to either retcon or completely ignore BfA and SL
I wish I had an answer. One that actually worked and force us to turn a blind eye to what happen.
Or you can just play a Vulpera and just go Wasn’t there. You guys screwed up. Not me 
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Didn’t they join while Sylvanas was still warchief?
The vulpera joined after the horde had formed their council. Baine even says they have no time or resources for new recruits when the vulpera try to join and than the vulpera go and solve the issues that were plaguing the horde at the time
It was the AU Mag’har who joined while Sylvanas was still Warchief. As Gey’arah was loyal to her until the end.
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