Time and again I see different classes come to our forums to troll, flame, QQ, complain and just straight hate on us. When I played my Hunter I only went to the Hunter Forums. Same with my Mage. To read up on rotations, gemming and tips and tricks on how to maximize the toon I was playing. Yet time and again people on random toons come here to talk sheeet. When we are not the top dps in pve or in pvp. Sure we have a cool meta form, wings, mobility, great aoe and survivability but other classes have cool stuff also. Iâve never been on one toon and flamed the forums of another class. Why do so many do it to us?
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They hate us,
cause they ainât us 
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Great mobility.
Good dps.
Good utility.
Good survivability.
Braindead easy rotation.
The only drawback is you have to be an elf.
Donât get me wrong, I enjoy playing my dh and donât want to see it gutted , but Blizz has justified nerfs/pruning to other classes in the past by saying that they shouldnât be good at everything. Then dh comes along and throws that excuse in the garbage. Meanwhile, those classes that lost dps/utility/mobility didnât get a second look.
So I think it boils down to many people being bitter about Blizzardâs hypocrisy when it comes to class design.
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I canât see how this would be a problem, as I canât see myself as being an Elf! 
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people just seem to hate hero classes
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This as well. People tend to forget that DK had, has, and likely will, continue to catch all kinds of shade/hate because of how strong their toolkit can be. Think back to their inception⌠when every spec had arena representation and raid representation. Cata as well. Then Monks in MoP joined the ranks of hate (they arenât technically a hero class either when you think about it). WoD through the first half of BfA was also bathed in (primarily, but not exclusively) blood DKâs.
As DHâs, we just have to roll with it. They will refuse us until they need us. They will use us until they can replace us. And they will hate us until play us.
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Outside of the multi-dot classes, most specs these days are pretty braindead easy⌠if weâre being honest. I donât think DH is any more different than most classes.
Also, part of the problem with DHs is⌠we only have 1 DPS spec. Thatâs it. Every aspect of our kit has to be balanced in one spec. DHs either have to be the best at ST, the best at AoE, or good at both. Blizzard chose both.
Just really all there is to it.
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Excellently put. And most people who come to âtroll, flame, QQâ, etc, on the forums is because this is where Blizz can see how much they are hated; a place where they ought to be taking opinions on how to make their player base happy.
So itll turn into a form of balancing that juggles between making every non-DH happy and every DH happy. And the majority usually wins.
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I can understand that. But the fact is we only have 2 specs. The tanking spec has huge issues and gets quite sketchy at higher levels of play. Everyone knows we are too squishy. A fact that has been ignored by Blizz for quite some time. My buddy has to actually kite the mobs heâs tanking in higher level M+s. But I never see any DHs in the Warrior, Druid, Dk or Monk forums whining, trolling or flaming them. Also, even as dps we are not the top damage dealers. Weâre like 4th. So this idea that we are soooo op is a bit perplexing. Iâve been playing this game sine vanilla so I get being angry when your toon is screwed over for the FOTM. I stopped playing my Hunter when they killed sv and made it melee. But if I did complain isnât that what the Hunter forum is for? Fellow Hunters moaning and griping. Not goofs from other classes talking out their butts and trying to get us nerfed. Go to the general forums with that nonsense.
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I mean, letâs be honest, DKs were legitimately broken for the first raid tier or two in WotLK. The Unholy/Frost dual-wield hybrid build in Naxx was Shadow-level OP.
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God I remember groups of 5 blood DKs on release literally rolling dungeons and raced through Outland.
I think the biggest reason they hate us⌠is because of Pathfinder. The amount of semi flying I was able to do saved SO much time.
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Overall, I think itâs mostly a case of a weird game version of first-born syndrome. DHs are the new baby, and we were given some really shiny toys (really flashy spell effects). Because we only have one DPS spec, that spec has to be fairly good at both AoE and single target, and Blizz also decided to make AoE our specialty. Net is that the other classes end up feeling a bit like they used to be the special ones, but this new intruder is taking all their glory and they want mommyâs attention again.
(Note: while the comparison to young children may make this sound derogatory, itâs not intended to be. First-born syndrome is a common thing, and the game version isnât really any different. When someone new shows up on the scene and it feels like they are getting all the stuff you used to get, itâs a perfectly normal psychological response to get defensive about that.)
That said, as Iâve argued in the past, DHs probably have too many strengths right now. Weâre solid at single target, and thatâs unlikely to change much, since we donât have any other options (They tried the whole good-at-AoE-mediocre-at-single-target with shamans back in WoD or Legion (and some would argue still to this day), and it really really really did not work). AoE, and especially burst AoE, is our intentional specialty. But consider that, to add to that, weâre also extremely mobile (though I tend to argue that warriors and rogues have similar levels of mobility) and uncommonly survivable for a melee (especially when soloing, where peeps come across a DH in meta just casually soloing group elites/quests without a care in the world), and we have remarkably strong utility (a major raid DR cooldown, even if itâs less reliable than AM and Barrier, a magic purge, a non-combat-triggering long-duration CC, an AoE stun, and a unique raid buff not replaceable with scrolls).
I strongly suspect that at the very least our utility will get nerfed in Shadowlands. Iâm not altogether certain why Blizz decided it was necessary to add both Consume Magic and Chaos Brand in BfA, since DHs were already reasonably respectable on the utility front. I rather hope they keep Consume Magic, but I wouldnât be surprised or even opposed to Chaos Brand being shifted to another class (maybe DKs, they do a fair amount of magic damage in both Frost and Unholy, and both have magic-damage oriented masteries, like Havocâs chaos damage mastery. Shaman are also an option.)
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Your birth came from decimating one of our favorite specs, and it sits in a comatose state for an entire expansion, and recovery is still work-in-progress.
And to add salt to injury, the reason given for the rework was âwe got the fantasy wrongâ - right, we spent a good 8+ years refining/tweaking the spec mechanic to work right, mastering the ins and outs, and now itâs like a huge blunder for all this time.
Hate doesnât even accurately describe what some of our kin feels.
Seeing how both hero classes so far has done more damage to warlocks than actually improving the game - yea, i guess the hatred is justified
And look, they even want Necromancers. At least this time one of the hero classes will get something taken from them.
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So because youre not the top dps class, people dont have a right to complain? Not saying every complaint is worth anything but thats just silly to say youâre perfectly balanced because youâre not the top dps.
As for pve tanks, they are usually well cycled on who is the best in what tier; honestly looks like pallies are gonna over throw monks in that regards in 8.3.
Also, strong possibility that they are also complaining on those other forums as well for the x number of dps that are higher than you.
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Youâve never seen me write anything about balance. And people have every right to complain about whatever they want. My post and questions are: A) Why are they complaining about us when weâre not top of any charts. Voiding their arguments that weâre âSo op and need to be nerfedâ and B) Why do they come to the DH forums to do it? I looked at the Priest, Warrior, Mage and Shaman forums. Uhhh no. Theyâre not trolling and whining about those classes in their forums like they do about us in ours. So itâs not silly.
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So for A) you can be unbalanced in many regards without topping charts so again, totally justified complaints are welcome on any classesâ forums as far as Im concerned.
And B) if youre talking about the two OP posts from like 4 days ago that DH have and 3 of the others dont (mage had 1 troll post from a few weeks ago) since at least the beginning of October, I guess I would say ignore it? Replies on several of all of those classesâ posts have had varying sides taken, someones complaining somewhere, dont worry, its not just you.
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That is my question Yoji. Justified how? If one is going to complain and say that a class is op and should be nerfed it implies they have an unfair advantage in playing the game. If they would at least make a clear and cohesive argument. State their case as to why we are. Actually have an informed discussion about our abilities versus their class or others and why they think weâre op that would at least be something. Xaedys has made the most clear and concise statements as to why others may see us as op and heâs a DH. Others just pop in and toss a molotov cocktail and run. I guess thatâs what bugs me the most. They cry foul without any discussion or evidence. Kinda annoying.
These posts have been coming in since I started my DH in Legion. When we were way stronger than we are now lol. The latest crying may have made me ask the question but itâs been a steady stream of QQ for years.
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I mean, letâs be fair here, not being the top of the charts doesnât necessarily imply we are not âOPâ, as it were. Perhaps everyone above us is also in the same âOPâ category? Perhaps the person complaining is not looking at just a single metric like output, but at the gestalt of our full package. Itâs possible that both are true, even.
We know Shadow is hella imbalanced right now, and Blizzâs attempts to reign them in have been drops in the bucket, as theyâve been absurdly dominant for two full raid tiers now (and I donât see enough changes in the next patch to change that). The others head of us (Fury warriors, Fire mages, and Elemental shaman, across all bosses) Iâm less sure of. But then, if you look at the parse scaling for the specs (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/23) and look at the upper quartile point (which is what the chart is natively sorted by, itâs the righthand side of the fat bar part of each specâs line), youâll see about a half dozen clear underperformers, a block of around a dozen specs that are all reasonably close and with a fairly smooth line of increase between them, and then the final few at the top are also outliers, as the curve drastically increases. DHs are right on the line where this starts, so itâs at least arguable that we are amongst them. Iâm not sure I could maintain that from a mathematical perspective, but I can at least understand where someone would choose to (granted, few people look at things as analytically as I do, but those charts also represent a mathematical echo of the sum of intuitive experiences players have in game during these raids).
Anyway, just pointing out that âweâre not the most imbalancedâ isnât actually a counter argument to the claim that weâre imbalanced. As Iâve said before, I think the only thing DHs are truly a bit imbalanced on is our utility, but I still prefer to keep these discussions rational and on the level.
^ This is a very accurate statement. In my entire time on the DH forums, there have been a half-dozen or so ânerf DHâ threads every single week for essentially the lifetime of the class.
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You prove my point yet again Xaedys. You at least proffer an argument and some reasoning. And even then itâs based on utility. Not just raw output, pve standings or pvp dominance. Youâre saying that our toolkit may tip the balance. But to be fair most DHs wonât take advantage of all those utilities except at much higher levels of raiding or game play.
I think itâs this sentiment that drives the comments more than anything else. And perhaps dps meters in M+
DKs were supposed to be a tanking only class but, that failed miserably.