Nothing is “Raid or Die” Ralph. If people choose to do different content they are more than able to succeed in it by simply doing that content they prefer.
Also doesn’t SWtOR have like the worst subscription model where you basically pay to actually do bgs otherwise you can’t access them?
The more you pay for sub the more entries you are given.
Yep, you also can’t even equip the top end gear unless you sub. There are a ton of restrictions on the free account compared to a sub to the point that its basically a punishment.
Oh shadowlands is going to absolutely be raid or die
I am subbed and can do as many bgs I want, there’s no limit
Ah now we see the truth folks. Ralph is a star wars leet try hard 1%er. Otherwise he would be over there trying to get non subscribers the ability to carry as much credits and wear the same armor as subscribers.
As a casual (maybe closer to semi casual) i pay for me to play in this fantasy world lol. Why are so many ppl so concerned about M+? I suppose you can say i would pay for M+ so i can farm them later when it is old content… 
what is the problem with having basically a super hard mode for raids n dungeons for people if they desire to try and do them?
why are mythic raiders paying for pet battles
Give them a discount!
I played SWTOR since beta and my Sith Juggernaut was badass, but I still came back to WOW. SWTOR is not WOW.
Best rewards from the most difficult content?
Do any other games follow this “best rewards from whatever content only takes longer to get” idea? I feel like someone has said there are but I don’t remember.
I recently got into SL beta and kinda already tired of it before it’s even out. End game for casuals is severely lacking.
Oh it’s this guy again. The guy who thinks elitists are conspiring against him to prevent him from having high ilvl gear, yet still doesnt answer why he needs high ilvl gear despite not doing content that would need high ilvl gear.
I don’t actually want to raid. I’m not good at it. It would take me 3 times as long to learn as people who are good at it.
That’s not really like life at all, where you choose what you want to do with your life, rather than turning your hobby into a job to satisfy other people who will never be satisfied with your performance.
The game should have levels of participation and equivalent rewards. I have never run out of things to do after madly rushing through content. I’ve never had that feeling. I dunno, play more alts? I never run out of things to do.
Although being overwhelmed with busywork because raid loggers who play no alts and use up content and demand more is totally a drag. Having to do endless chores with no reward at the end of the tunnel… Why do you think I should be satisfied with that?
If the model doesn’t work for me, I’m gone, and so will be everybody who is like me. And right now it’s pretty clear that the only “casual content” in shadowlands will be grinding to get dramatically inferior gear and then being chewed up and spit out by you golden children.
Actually, he did answer… pvp. Even casual pvp sucks donkey dong when people with max gear are allowed to queue with casuals. I guess all is well as long as the vocal minority has their ego nice and comforted and huge by dooking on “noobs” with crap gear.
And what’s the point of playing a game based all around progression when you have no path to progress?
The path is there people just refuse to take it. Is there a issue with how pvp works in that regard sure but its not the fault of raiders.
Exactly, so what are we debating?
it does. you get different gear based on what level of content you do…
My problem is I don’t get rewarded for putting time in the game for my chosen playstyle which is prety much just solo queing for content… People get rewarded for pressing button gud with other people that press button gud.
You have come to the realization that you can play games without DPS meters then? 
Oh, this topic again.
You know, i was just kidding when i made that joke Ralph, but i should’ve known better because your Ralphenford D butheyington son. 
…Can you back up that fact? I mean, you didn’t just say “in WoW playerbase”, you said “Any MMORPG playerbase”. Likes that’s a lot to buy Ralph. What’s the sales pitch? 
Because that’s where the hardest difficulty is in games a lot of times.
And theirs nothing wrong with devs doing that. Should their be a balance? ehh. But ultimately as long it does good, i don’t mind it. Getting upset with the devs doing hardest or what you call “tryhard” content is like getting upset at the devs of Cuphead. I mean, your not playing the game or anything or at it’s regular difficulty.
Because they want to improve? Because they want to challenge themselves in a game they enjoy? Because they think it’s cool to do harder content? Because they want the rewards? I don’t know the exact reasons why they do and to be quite Frank Sinatra with you, i don’t care enough to find out.
You know Ralph, as much i like the solo experience, it does feel weirdly out of place in an MMO at times and it does need to be balanced with the mind of multiple players, since it is an MMO. Ideally, it should have more stuff that you should cooperative with your team, or be balanced around to encourage you to that.
You don’t speak for anybody Ralphie.
Especially since you kept on failing to realize that everybody’s idea of fun is different from yours.
But i guess if you did learn that, then you would stop making those threads. And oh no, we wouldn’t want that, would we? No, we got the bad man of gaming right here. Ralphenford D buyheyyington son. The hero that nobody needs who is gonna save us from the evvvvvvil tryhard content… /s 
well, you gotta do hard content with others to get the best gear. that’s the way it’s always been.
You do get rewarded. You get rewarded gear appropriate to the content you do. BFA spoiled players with a item lvl way to high and now we see players trying to get the top lvl of gear for less than half the effort.
They should just take power out of the content difficulty equation and give gold stars to people that do hard content and maybe silver stars to people who don’t that way people who do hard content can still feel special with their gold stars.
People who do harder content are no lifing to win. Big problem with this genre.