Exactly, could pug sillken court and queen if I wanted. Just prefer to wait for main guild group to need my 628 tank that needs nothing from heroic except ring off queen, and guild doesn’t do mythic. So maybe have to find a new one for my tank, lol.
Sure, and I’d play for Liquid if I didn’t have to feed my pet sea monkeys every other hour. They offered to change their raid times, but I wasn’t feeling it.
What you bobbleheads haven’t picked up on, despite me saying like three different ways, is that those servers aren’t full of, and I quote the thread title, “players below average.”
It would be hard to find a more subjective, less substantiated and completely off target title.
What you are experiencing is called ignorance in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. They have the same progression as the other servers, with a guild at #7 in the world.
What I’m telling you, and what you refuse to accept, is that they are just like ALL the other severs. They cultivated a bad reputation simply because they were new players to wow being integrated into groups with veteran players, too many of whom resorted to blaming their ethnicity. That reputation no longer fits, but it gets parroted still, by a lot of ignorant individuals because their mental prowess is severely limited.
So we have what we have here. Players acting as if this behavior is limited to three latin servers when they see it from their own servers every day, but fail to make that connection and just fall back on racist thinking to justify their lack of perspective.
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It’s all over the place. Seen excellent players from all regions quite a lot but when you get a bad player it tends to be pretty memorable.
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Your insults are really helping to drive your point home. Really?
I’m using insults to indicate that I think you’re dumb, that your logic is faulty and your reasoning amounts to nothing less than racist ignorance.
I would be more acrimonious in my summation of your misguided insights, but it’s not worth getting banned over.
I don’t think you’re racist. I don’t think a lot of the ignorant haters are racist. Just too young, too dumb or too distracted to see the reality.
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Put your purple prose down and stop calling people ignorant. It garners you nothing but malcontent.
I’m of a mind to play devil’s advocate and agree with OP just because you lack decorum.
If you want people to listen and agree with your obviously more informed point of view, stop insulting them and go get the data to prove it. Perhaps via raid progress or average IO compared to population? If you’re as smart as you think you are, you can figure it out.(See how that language didn’t endear me and my opinion to you at all?)
If you’re right, that data is there and you can show them. If you’re wrong, you’ve educated yourself.
But hopefully you’re right.
I’m gonna be honest. I’m not worried about upsetting a few dummies who think that they aren’t being overtly racist.
You can pretend it isn’t all you want. I don’t give a rats taint.
Their logic is about as sounds as idiots who change lanes in a traffic jam because they think their lane is the slowest. It’s ignorant confirmation bias and I don’t think it has any place in our game.
We have players who don’t have an impressive achievement between them trying to wax poetic about other server’s players being bad. That irony alone is almost too much to be real.
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“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”
Don’t bother - the ears will continue to be plugged while shouting racism.
I am not trying to win anything here. I am trying to explain how unfounded and misguided your beliefs are. I don’t think anyone here is trying to be racist, or inciting some ill-will towards specific servers, but I do think they’re being exceptionally ignorant in their conclusions. I am happy to accept that nothing here is racially motivated, even accidentally. It’s almost immaterial. It’s the lack of awareness that I think is dangerous.
Show me a single mote, one iota, a solitary molecule of evidence to support this claim that isn’t, “my experience tells me.” Point me to data that shows that runs with players from those servers are less successful. Until such time you’re just pointing fingers at things that you notice, while ignoring everything else around you.
I’m going to try and make an analogy. It’s a bad idea and I will probably regret it, but I gonna do it anyway.
If someone gets hit by someone driving a Ford, there’s a good chance that from then on they will be more inclined to notice when Ford drivers do things they deem inappropriate, despite there being no statistical evidence to show that Ford drivers are more likely to make driving mistakes. It’s human nature. It’s important to be aware of this or else people start saying stuff like OP based on nothing but your feelies.
They’re eating cats and derkin er jerbs and all that.
Data shows ragnaros is below the curve. Quel’thas bottom of the barrel. Azralon slightly better than ragnaros, but still a D- if graded at a school.
Source
World of Warcraft Rankings for Mythic+ and Raid Progress at raider io
All 3 lack a single Mythic guild, unpaid carry raid clear beyond the first 4, aka easy part, of mythic palace. They just barely cleared M princess last week using outside muscle.
This page seems to suggest otherwise:
https://raider.io/realms/americas
Sorting by M+ progression puts Azralon and Ragnaros 37th and 38th respectively. There are more than 100 “Americas” severs.
Sorting by Raid Prog puts Azralon 16th and Ragnaros 18th.
Perhaps I’m reading it wrong. I’d be interested to see which data you’re referencing. I’m willing to be wrong, but I have some doubts still. Also, I’m not here to debate the legitimacy of their kills. You can write off a lot of NA kills for all the same reasons you’re ready to dismiss their kills.
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You’re reading it wrong. Its only the top 10 guilds taken into consideration. The ones you’ll never see pug. Also, that is with HUGE populations for those 3 servers. Yet somehow, they each have cleared less than 1k 10 keys…combined.
Just going to clear this up, by the way. I’ve run keys since BFA, every expansion. I’ve gotten all my portals through multiple expacs (I believe since they were introduced), mostly on a mistweaver back when they were a subpar healer. I got 3200 & 3300 in DF s3 & 4. I got my KSH this season and I’m not done yet. This is all through pugging. I’m not the best player in the game, but I have pugged hundreds and hundreds of keys for all my achieves with multiple alts, which is arguably harder than someone who has a solid group. This is simply to say that yes, I have grounds for coming to my own personal conclusions.
Had so many keys bricked by those specific servers I had to make a macro specifically for pugs asking them to avoid those servers. Has nothing to do with race its players who pug on those servers are generally not good.
Its pretty wierd. I’ve had great experiences in PUG raids with mostly oceanic realm players, despite not knowing their language. Dungeons however, not so much, its either they pull everything, or do abysmal DPS, or just stand in fire, or the newest example, a 569 ilvl trying to get carried by starting their own group in a +4 and they just died instantly. I refused to rez them because they were only going to die again…
Cultural differences. Not saying one is better than the other.
They have good players, but when you mix different cultures together they don’t always mix. For that reason, I tend to avoid their servers if I can.
i’ve had mostly good experiences with them
funny you mention ZJ, they’re one of my less favorite servers to run with along with Tich.
azralon is a massive server, and that means there are lots of bad players there as well as lots of good players. no different than illidan, a52, hyjal, etc.
If you’ve never had a good experience with one, something tells me you aren’t as smart as you think you are and your memory isn’t as good as you think it is.
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It’s a standard pull, if you group can’t handle that pull then it’s very likely a fail key
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Probably. It’s not standard to lose all aggro including to heals. He straight up trolled my key. I did the same pull today and it went fine.