who thought it was a great idea to force PVE player to play PVP to get the legendary quest going is absolutely ridiculous. Might as well force arena and RBG player to clear heroic for gear?
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Isn’t this the case from version 60 to 85? PVP players need to play raids to get the strongest weapon and accessories.
mop is the first expansion which PVP players don’t have to play PVE at all
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funny…that was in fact tbc and wrath…worked. PVE was BIS for pvp. era…man, pve and pvp were brothers and sisters in arms in AV.
Cata was nicer about it.
and you must have been one of the few not clogging up AV lol. I mean cool if so. one less honor farmer makes some pvp folks happier that want the less efficient but more fun turtles.
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it also shouldn’t be a thing, forcing people in full pvp gear to clear heroic raid is ridiculous. Not fair for them or the group that has to carry them. They changed the way to get the sha touched gem, including dungeon instead of raid. Why not do the same thing for this part ?
Pve gear has often been good in pvp often trinkets or legendaries.
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still shouldn’t be a thing forcing people to play a mode they do not like, or have no gear for to keep a legendary quest going ie: getting the legendary cloack. Isn’t a great way to get your pvp numbers up, it forces people to play it then now they hate it.
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yes, while i do agree. No one NEED to do it to progress through a legendary quest which is not really optional if you want to clear the higher content. If they changed the sha touched gem to make it available in dungeon so people do not need to be forced in a raid, why can’t they do the same for this part and not force people in pvp?
I mean, from Classic → Wrath they did.
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In my point of view asking to win 2 bgs is much less pvp than pvpers having to do pve for the cloak. I also think it is totally ok that pve players and pvp players to have a reason to do content outside of it as long as it’s reasonable and to me winning 2 bgs is definitely reasonable and is good as you want people to have a reason to participate in more than one content but you don’t want it to become a chore.
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I have popcorn on order for tbc part 3 when paid reserve I predict takes off. Unlike tbcc, or tbc…there isn’t the other option many in pvp used.
It be pvp’ers who could not give 2 craps about raid.
Sword for 5K+ reserves, 1 run and done and back ot pvp. I’d see a few take that option.
it does feel like a chore when you spent the last couple hours losing non stop.
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if i had the option to pay to skip i would
There’s many ways to make this easier but if you chose to only do pve without getting pvp gear or solo queue then yes you’re just rolling the dice. As far as I heard you can also wargame it if you can get a big enough group.
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hence my point, forcing me into a system i have no interest in to grind gear to get those done isn’t a great thing. having to find loopholes to make it easier is also not great. While i do get the whole “let’s get players to see new things” it really doesn’t make me appreciate the experience being forced into it.
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Yea I understand that but also mmos are not made so you can only do 1 thing and only 1 thing only. To me that’s not really a game design problem moreover 2 bg wins over a whole expansion seems reasonable to just give you a look at it.
They don’t need to remove the pvp aspect, just let it be doable without having to win
Win the battlegrounds OR get a certain amount of honorable kills within them. An alternative condition that doesn’t require lucking out and getting into a group with actual pvp geared players, but still requires at least semi-active participation
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see, that i could be on board with. 1 win of each or 5 total of each… instead of me sitting at 15 loss in a row.
The problem is then you’re encouraging people to afk, they could do like 50 honorable kill but then also it would degenerate the best thing so people play fair is to ask for a win knowing wow players.
To note I have done 4 characters so far through it with one of them as a tank with full pve gear and I have only random queued.
if people afk they do get deserter and won’t complete. a “reach this mount of honor or game total” would totally alleviate this issue. I guess you’re a better pvp player than i am, or maybe luckier. Either way losing 2-3 hours trying to get that done when i have other commitment isn’t really the kind of time sink i’m looking for, doing something that feels like work or a chore doesn’t sound like a good time.
I would try to reach out to other players for help or to get some honor gear by transferring justice to honor. Having both pvp trinkets and a pvp weapon can make a decent difference as they have huge pvp power attached to them.