Really zg should be out before mc. Not sure why they added it when they did. Probably just testing the market for the smaller raids we ended up with. I hope there are fresh servers with bwl, mc and zg open on day one.
[Nefarian][Shadow Flame] [Qpon] Tick 1632 (O: 280)
[Chromaggus] [Melee] [Qpon] 3215 (O: 100)
Dang, looks like 45 stamina would be really good for you!
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You unironically think that stamina is more useful than hit for casters. I love the irony of that statement.
Youâre blindly focusing on your moronic stamina argument that you canât even see that he didnât have ony cloak on for Nef, and that Chromaggus had already killed the tank and was destroying the raid at that point.
Stamina wouldnât have saved him in either of those situations. 10/10 argument from someone that is still using tier gear in raids as paladin.
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I didnât say that, quote me saying that.
I use two pieces of Tier gear in raids and if you werenât scared youâd post on your main.
Bad players debating based on a meta devised by players significantly better than them, rofl. Hint: top tier metas are for top tier guilds, defensive stats are useful for players like you.
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Pot, meet kettle. Come back when youâre clearing BWL under 2 hours, let alone 1 
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Okay Pelicanz.
Your guild has nothing to do with your individual ability. Come back when youâre no longer a 1k Andy.
Reread the argument and understand what it was about, your inability to think for yourself is rather revealing.
48 spell power worth of DPS is not a significant upgrade to a raids DPS. Bloodvine is not a significant upgrade over T2.
P.S. Did your guild daddy tell you not to trash talk on the forums anymore? Why posting on a level 10 now?
Who?
Nice argument btw. You claim that stamina would be useful and then the âproofâ you provide is absolutely worthless.
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My lord.
I said in some particular cases the stamina would be more useful. Maybe I linked some bad examples, thereâs plenty more when you sift through his logs.
More stamina means more allowance for the raid to make mistakes. Guilds that arenât top tier guilds could benefit from having a SLIGHTLY lower raid DPS in favor of the additional survivability offered by T2. (weâre talking if all mages used Bloodvine instead of those T2 pieces, it would be what 1% raid dps? 2%, if thereâs a lot of mages??)
Thereâs plenty of situations where an extra 45 stamina or the resistances could mean the difference between a mage dying or not and you know this but youâre being willfully obtuse and mischaracterizing my argument.
My argument was that Bloodvine doesnât trivialize ANYTHING.
Gaining 3% DPS while losing 10% of your health among other things isnât some significant, massive upgrade like youâre making it out to be. This reminds me of the people claiming that Hunter T2 is some massive downgrade over Hunter T1, rofl.
More examples of a little bit of extra stamina that could have saved world buffs:
[Gizzler] [Explosion] [Gizzler]3210 (A: 120) (O: 199)
[Core Rager] [1] [Mangle][Qpon] Tick 656 (O: 5)
Maybe there were a bunch of incoming heals? Dang, stamina is such a terrible stat, it never has ANY value.
/s
2nd ranked Mage in the world on Firemaw with Fire resist enchants, because itâs so worthless:
https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rwpK4m2VqxFthcjY#fight=12&type=summary&source=6
Beep booooop, 1 spell power is worth 1 million stamina because the BiS list told me so, BEEEEP BOOOP.
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ZG was released one month after BWL in Vanilla WoW. Waiting any longer to release this instance would be proof that âclassicâ is a cash grab and nothing else.
Our raid was memeing a new cleave strat because we were bored. Keep digging though, itâs funny watching you squirm.
If you canât engage in dialectic without resorting to childish insults, Iâll just report you and move on.
Good luck on your parses, maybe youâll be a top player like me one day.
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And sacrifing performance for survivability means that the boss is alive longer, that your dps take more damage and that your healers need to heal more, on top of increasing the odds of someone screwing up and dying. It sounds great in theory, until it doesnât.
Not having the bomb blow up in your raid, and not tanking the core hounds on top of casters helps. Turns out doing the mechanics helps your survivability more than using stamina over damage.
Context is important, but I wasnât expecting you to understand nuance anyways. Firemaw is the one fight where casters want fire resist to have more uptime, less pushback, and avoid spending time losing their stacks. Not to mention that this is purely fire resistance, and not stamina. Oh and this is pretty much the only time where pure resistances are useful outside of Naxx.
This isnât even an argument. Youâre posting all these logs to try and back up your point, but you donât even understand what they mean.
You sat here for 45 minutes to post THAT? Come on dude, post on your main.
Youâre clearing BWL in a similar amount of time, wiping a similar amount of times. The only top thing about you is your ego.
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Yeah, 1% raid DPS meaning the boss is alive for 1.8 more seconds. Again, Iâm going to try to say this to you one last time to help you clue in.
I wasnât saying Bloodvine is worse.
I wasnât saying stamina is better than Spell Power.
I was saying that non-dps stats are not worthless.
I was saying that the BLOODVINE SET DOESNâT TRIVIALIZE ANYTHING.
This thread was about releasing ZG soon. The argument that ZG gear trivializes anything is just silly.
Zero experience. Ever. In the histroy of the game.
Keep em coming.
Youâre not clearing BWL at all, because youâre level 10. I also prefer that my guild struggles a bit rather than joining a top guild that requires you to have 5 alts and full stacked world buffs so the raid can be over in 40 minutes.
I still do just fine, you know, currently rank 3 for Holy Paladins in the world.
Bragging about healing parses 
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Posting on a level 10, too embarrassed to post on main.
Wow. Itâs almost like youâre speaking from an egotistical viewpoint in which you believe that stamina is worthless because every raid that every person ever does should have flawless execution.
Wow⌠fun dude.
Ahh yes. Flawless execution such as:
- Equipping Onyxia Scale Cloak
- Not blowing up the raid with the bomb on Baron Geddon
- Not having Chromaggus run around chomping everyone
I forgot that most people canât afford such luxury.