Yes yes, change the point after a lie is pointed out. You’re conflated one town’s breakthrough cases up to the whole state level as part of your anti-covid vaccine narrative.
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http s://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_content=Main&utm_source=Twitter&__twitter_impression=true
Doesn’t list one town.
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Oh hey, check out what they put out a month later
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Good, so you did some things.
Where’s your proof the vaccinated people didn’t?
Your post is a false equivalence.
How does that relate at all to this discussion? They don’t link any sources or peer reviewed article and her specialty seems to sex differences in immune responses and susceptibility. Granted, she’s more an authority on immunology and virology than I am so I’m not trying to discredit her opinion entirely just that any scientific opinion needs to come from peer reviewed studies and repeated experiments otherwise it’s just opinion.
That in reaching herd immunity it is safer and more effective to use the vaccine than to rely on hoping you survive infection without dying or the possible life long physical debilitations that covid seems to cause.
I also like how you don’t talk about the article that says the other thing you linked was wrong.
You are assuming I am blaming them for spreading it. I’m not at all. However, I’m not getting the vaccine, period.
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Bottom line is you’re all trying to conflate vaccination === infection as a “gotcha” to deflect away from any personal responsibility in viral spread.
Vaccinated or not, if everyone is taking appropriate measures to protect themselves and others, evidence indicates the vaccinated person is less likely, not more (which you are attempting to imply) likely to spread infection.
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Actually it’s you who is trying to blame the unvaxxed for spread. Both can spread is what I am getting at.
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I think you’re confusing me with someone else. Why don’t you walk me through this contradiction you’re claiming with a link to where I said what you think you’re contradicting.
Sorry, forgot that I replied to two people in that response.
But as to what you did link about herd immunity, I don’t think it’s off topic to point out when you mentioned it that the source you use strongly promotes the vaccines.
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Because evidence shows they are the primary drivers of it.
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Where is this evidence?
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It supports effective vaccines, as do I but until the current ones have gone through the scientific process it’s not proven yet it’s being given en masse and they’re even talking about mandating its use which concerns me.
I didn’t want to link an article on herd immunity from an anti-vax site, you understand?
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https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html
" Box 1. Summary of vaccine efficacy estimates for authorized COVID-19 vaccines
All authorized COVID-19 vaccines demonstrated efficacy (range 65% to 95%) against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in adults ≥18 years.
- For each authorized COVID-19 vaccine, efficacy was demonstrated across different populations, including elderly and younger adults, in people with and without underlying health conditions, and in people representing different races and ethnicities.
- The Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine also demonstrated high efficacy against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in adolescents aged 12-17 years.
All authorized COVID-19 vaccines demonstrated high efficacy (≥89%) against COVID-19 severe enough to require hospitalization.
All authorized COVID-19 vaccines demonstrated high efficacy against COVID-19-associated death.
- In the clinical trials, no participants who received a COVID-19 vaccine died from COVID-19; the Moderna and Johnson & Johnson/Janssen trials among adults ≥18 years each had COVID-19 deaths in the unvaccinated placebo arm.
Preliminary data from the clinical trials among adults ≥18 years old suggest COVID-19 vaccination protects against symptomatic infection and may also protect against asymptomatic infection.
- In the Moderna trial, among people who had received a first dose, the number of asymptomatic people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 at their second-dose appointment was approximately 67% lower among vaccinees than among placebo recipients (0.1% and 0.3%, respectively)
- Efficacy of Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine against asymptomatic infection was 74% in a subset of trial participants.
No trials have compared efficacy between any of the authorized vaccines in the same study population at the same time, making comparisons of efficacy difficult.
- All Phase 3 trials differed by calendar time and geography.
- Vaccines were tested in settings with different background COVID-19 incidence and circulating variants."
Asymptomatic carriers can spread it too. So where’s the evidence?
You’re basically just running around making it sound like someone who was set on fire is the cause for the fire while ignoring the arsonist running around with a flamethrower.
Here’s some facts: 1) Moderna has never came out with an effective vaccine before. They have tried, but all failed. 2) Pfizer had a billion dollar lawsuit over their medicine 12 years ago. 3) J&J have had products recalled. None of these companies have a very good history, but let’s trust them now I guess…
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This thread is just depressing.
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Ever thought it’s possible the vaccinated spread to the unvaccinated, and those in the hospital had severe underlying conditions?