Who is excited to get the covid vaccine?

Well, that’s your choice though it’s not the smartest one. I have met many people who had the same mess-around-and-find-out attitude about it and caught COVID first. Of those, several passed away. Others have lung, heart, and nerve damage that might be permanent. The vaccine is much safer than contracting the virus no matter what you want to tell yourself but I’m done trying to convince people who refuse to listen.

So long as my family and I have been vaccinated, we are relatively safe from the action or inaction of the willfully ignorant, at least in this scenario, and that is all that matters to me now.

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You can’t say if the vaccine is safe or safer. Vaccines take years of testing. No ty

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Yes, they do take years and mostly because of technicalities. The vaccine is still safer than actually catching COVID and I’m pretty sure you know that.

How can you say that with certainty since we don’t know long term effects of the vaccine?

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I’m more worried about acute toxicity. As I pointed out in the CDC numbers, they purposefully understate the deaths from the vaccine. Safe and effective, that’s our goal in pharma and an application to the FDA needs to demonstrate that. Do we really have that? I’m sure people have seen the news where vaccinated people can still catch covid and I was personally affected by the toxicity of the vaccine.

Administration of an unapproved vaccine should not have proceeded en masse.

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Yea, far too many vaccinated are catching Covid. That’s the opposite of a true vaccine. It’s astonishing how many people haven’t caught on.

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The decision the inoculate the entire population with an unapproved drug just scares me as a scientist. The rules for drug approval exist for a reason, great tragedies produced changes to prevent them from happening again. A good example is the drug Thalidomide.
~https://helix.northwestern.edu/article/thalidomide-tragedy-lessons-drug-safety-and-regulation

The rules for approval are strict for a reason. I can see if they released it under the administration of doctors who could monitor their patients but putting up mass inoculation centers just compounded the concern.

I’m not advocating people not to vaccinate, just cautioning that the science is not complete.

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As a scientist you should be painfully aware that being vaccinated does not stop you getting an illness. It lowers the severity.

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The CDC seems to contradict that statement.
~https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html
“It typically takes 2 weeks after vaccination for the body to build protection (immunity) against the virus that causes COVID-19”
(note, the page was updated June 2021).

Funny, aside from idiot media who act shocked when someone gets covid who is vaccinated, I haven’t come across someone who agrees with them before.
But doctors, epidemiologists, etc have all stated over and over it should heavily reduce the chance you’ll need to be hospitalised, but you will still get sick. I believe it’s about mid 90% effective.
Also, people dieing depends on the vaccine. There’s a few there, Johnson and Johnson’s one is pretty bad, the one out of China is useless.

Until we get full review and approval we just don’t know exactly what we’re getting. The China vaccine is a good example of why review is so important.

I followed medical advice and went Pfizer, has the best track record. I also personally know two medical professionals who were pretty honest about things.

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My sister’s a nurse, she researched the vaccine that my mom died from. We shouldn’t be putting patients in that position. We can expedite discovery through investment and prioritization but the rules exist for a reason and we shouldn’t throw them out when they seem inconvenient.

There’s a difference between dying from an illness and dying from a medicine. What’s the conclusion in thinking we can roll dice on issues of public health?

Soooo like 90% of the population anyway?

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They could see a couple years in the future?

I don’t think the Biden Administration really cares about American safety so long it befits them. These migrants aren’t getting tested and that something we should be concerns about.

Also the Biden administration is looking for a another mask mandate for America even with people that are vaccinated. That gonna anger lot people and more of them will not get the vaccine.

That remind me… why the f that we’re still having the Olympics when Japan is having a Covid19 outbreak? Something isn’t adding up here.

It’s a combo of the usual “because money” and Japanese political tendencies, which tend to be something along the lines of, “if we pretend there’s no problem it’ll just go away on its own”. The Japanese government runs well in some ways but it’s terrible at handling things like COVID. The only reason the country wasn’t ravaged is because there had already been a long-standing culture of mask usage, largely due to the SARS epidemic some time ago, as well as a general culture of cleanliness.

So, you know Dallas just put itself back into Orange status, because “Texas”, right? So, you gotten YOUR vaccine yet?

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We could just shut down again.

Or people could quit being ignorant, go get a vaccine and wear a mask for a couple of more months (until this stuff is a lot more contained) until a majority of the population is vaccinated if they’re in an establishment that requests/requires it.

Or we could shut down again.

The middle part is what should have happened. It didn’t.

I thought we were past the Randall Flagg part of the Stephen King novel we’ve been in for over a year. We’re going back to the beginning of the book again.

So which is it: actually utilizing the thing between your ears and getting vaxed so we can quit wearing the masks? Or shut down again?

Personally, I don’t want another long vacation again.

(Bliz, please don’t ban me. I just can’t be nice with this stuff anymore.)

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I’m going with no shot and no mask.

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