Ah that makes sense. Thank you for clarifying.
This will cause an uproar in the raid community if it is released in this form
Let’s do some side by side comparisons:
T2 legs off RAGNAROS:
31 agi
15 int
16 stam
1 hit
1 crit
Blue pvp set legs, lol:
16 agi
6 int
13 stam
2% crit
Let’s compare shoulders:
T2 shoulders from BWL:
23 agi
13 int
15 stam
1% hit
Blue pvp shoulders:
18 agi
13 stam
1% crit
This means if you didn’t need the hit, since 53 agi = 1% crit, that the blue pvp shoulders are better than the BWL T2 shoulders
Jesus
You’re still assuming enough people will care.
Rank 10 is easy to get
Rank 10 is easy to get
Rank 10 is easy to get
I don’t know why all of a sudden everyone assumes rank 10 and rank 12-14 are the same thing
Without BG’s it’s still gonna take SERIOUS effort to get into the officer ranks. If we had AV/WSG sure, maybe 2 hours a day of BG grind. Without it? Hope your server faction balance is ok or else you’re scrogged hard.
No it won’t take SERIOUS effort lol. The effort has nothing to do with what means you have of getting honor
You could have a bg that grants 100,000,000 honor when you win, and it won’t matter at all in your overall effort required if everyone can access it
If no one can access BG’s than the amount of effort rank 10 requires is still relative to what everyone else can do
Not true. At all. It’s not just comparative rankings, there were minimum thresholds too or else the honor degradation wouldn’t have an affect. Rank 10 is still going to be minimum a month for ANYBODY, if not two.
It’s not about effort, it’s about want.
Most people will only get to Rank 3, because it’s super easy, and stop after that.
Some, like me, won’t even hit rank one, because we HATE pvp.
Honestly the only thing that would make me quit my guild is if they said: hey, you need to pvp to get X gear, i’d be out that day, no question.
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Getting rank 10 isn’t hard but it’s time consuming. You will have to pvp a good amount and even then it will take you probably 3-6 months.
Rank 10 looks at your contribution points earned relative to everyone else on your server
If your faction is getting their butt kicked and can’t earn much honor, then you don’t have to earn much honor. BTW, What is the minimum listed threshold of honor for rank 10? Since you think there is such a thing
I feel you’re exaggerating the upgrade, especially when taking into account while they are doing more damage, they have less survivability. Stam/resists tend to > dps in pvp. Funnily enough though, is that a lot of the pvp gear is better for raiding, and the raiding gear is better for pvp.
Also it’ll take people a lot longer to get the gear than it did in vanilla, since everyone is starting from essentially the same spot with a much higher population than vanilla servers had. They had a spreadsheet in the classicwow reddit that detailed how fast it was even possible. For the more casual players, the raid gear will be more accessible.
https://www.icy-veins.com/wow-classic/honor-system-overview
" 4.1.2.
Rank Points
Rank Points are somewhat complex and a huge amount of work has gone on in the past years trying to perfect the formula for calculating how much Honor or Contribution Points need to be collected at a certain rank to reach the next one.
The calculations changed multiple times, but most notably with Patch 1.12, which completely modified the numerical values that were being used, meaning the previous figures ended up being completely wrong for the new patch.
While these formulas can certainly estimate the amount of Honor you will need to earn to get enough Rank Points, the best way to find the correct answer for your server and faction is to inspect players that are a higher rank than you and see how much Honor they made last week and already have this week.
The actual requirements can vary wildly between servers and weeks, so it is important to find real-time data that applies to your server, rather than general estimations that could be completely off-target for your realm.
This section will be updated as accurately and as swiftly as possible after the release of the Honor system."
Also, estimated minimum breakpoint limits from patch 1.12
| Group | BreakPt | % in Group | RP at BreakPt | v1.12 BreakPt |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 14 | 0.002 | 0.2 | 12 000 | 0.003 |
| 13 | 0.007 | 0.5 | 11 000 | 0.008 |
| 12 | 0.017 | 1.0 | 10 000 | 0.020 |
| 11 | 0.037 | 2.0 | 9 000 | 0.035 |
| 10 | 0.077 | 4.0 | 8 000 | 0.060 |
| 9 | 0.137 | 6.0 | 7 000 | 0.100 |
| 8 | 0.207 | 7.0 | 6 000 | 0.159 |
| 7 | 0.287 | 8.0 | 5 000 | 0.228 |
| 6 | 0.377 | 9.0 | 4 000 | 0.327 |
| 5 | 0.477 | 10.0 | 3 000 | 0.436 |
| 4 | 0.587 | 11.0 | 2 000 | 0.566 |
| 3 | 0.715 | 12.8 | 1 000 | 0.697 |
| 2 | 0.858 | 14.3 | 400 | 0.845 |
| 1 | 1.000 | 14.2 | 0 | 1.000 |
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Also note, that you can only gain 2 ranks a week.
it’s like 40k for rank 10, with a 20% decay each week. The absolute front runners (.2% every week) would get it in amount a month and a half.
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K, but don’t you need the hit? I really don’t know but I’d assume you probably would want that +hit on those gear slots to hit the cap. And if that’s the case your point is moot.
Hit cap is 9% for a raid boss if I’m not mistaken. Seems like you’d need as much as you can get to hit that cap.
This explains how it is based on the honor earned by other players
This is not showing anything resembling a minimum amount of honir requirement
Where is the minimum honor requirement listed for rank 10?
hunters get 6% from talent+scope, so they don’t need much.
Honor only dictates where you rank in RP for the week (how much honor you got in comparison to the rest of your faction on that server). RP is what your rank is based off of.
| Rank | RP Req’d | Min Level | Alliance Title | Horde Title |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 15 HK | 1 | Private | Scout |
| 2 | 2000 | 1 | Corporal | Grunt |
| 3 | 5000 | 1 | Sergeant | Sergeant |
| 4 | 10000 | 33 | Master Sergeant | Senior Sergeant |
| 5 | 15000 | 38 | Sergeant Major | First Sergeant |
| 6 | 20000 | 41 | Knight | Stone Guard |
| 7 | 25000 | 44 | Knight-Lieutenant | Blood Guard |
| 8 | 30000 | 46 | Knight-Captain | Legionnaire |
| 9 | 35000 | 48 | Knight-Champion | Centurion |
| 10 | 40000 | 51 | Lieutenant Commander | Champion |
| 11 | 45000 | 53 | Commander | Lieutenant General |
| 12 | 50000 | 55 | Marshal | General |
| 13 | 55000 | 57 | Field Marshal | Warlord |
| 14 | 60000 | 59 | Grand Marshal | High Warlord |
RP is NOT honor. It decays by 20% every week. so from 13-14 you’d be getting like 1k net honor every week for being top .2%
It’s an unknown number, but it’s obviously there, you’re not going to have r10s week 5, that would make zero sense.
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It would’ve required him to read instead of trolling, so he missed that.