Who else is maining guardian? And what covenant?

Exactly… Druid was my first class and it will always be my favorite. Regardless of what changes they make.

I was extremely frustrated when they split the feral tree in mop and changed our play style into active mitigation. I quit tanking out of spite and told my raid leader I was only wanted to main feral. I eventually quit the game entirely a few months later. Gave all my gold away. Deleted my alts. I was done.

Looking back now I can see how foolish I was. I enjoy tanking again and kind of wish I had started playing again sooner. I missed all of legion, which from what I’m told, was the time to be a Guardian.

Even with the state of guardian in bfa, and my limited playtime, I still enjoyed myself while playing guardian, and never had issues healing them either.

I will continue to enjoy myself in shadowlands.

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The problem is when you’ve played a better version of the same class/spec. Then you know that it’s objectively worse than it was - and that just doesn’t feel good. It’s not a matter of “Flavour of the month”, or “Following the crowd”, etc., etc. For a lot of us, it’s based on our own experiences playing a better version of the class/spec, and seeing how it has devolved over time.

I remember what it was like playing a bear in Legion, and I remember how it was gutted going into BFA. I remember how it took until patch 8.2.5 for bears to feel good again… and I see that it’s about to happen again going into SL; in fact, bears at the start of SL are actually looking worse than bears at the start of BFA! I don’t need a video on YouTube to tell me that. I have my own experiences, and I can do my own research. I can see that the outstanding issues with bears have not been addressed (see the Druid feedback thread), I can see that our dead talents have not been fixed/removed, I can see that we’ve effectively been pruned even more during this so-called, “Great unpruning”… I mean, you can check the beta data that’s been gathered so far… it’s all there. Bears are already underperforming, which comes as no surprise.

Guardian Druid mains aren’t swapping mains merely because someone told them that bears will be bad; rather, as Guardian Druid mains, they know that bears will be bad by virtue of their experience. For instance, Tewa - whom Tical loves to denigrate - is an accomplished Mythic raider who mained Guardian Druid. Tewa is going BrM Monk come SL. Tewa isn’t swapping mains because of a video, or because it’s “Flavour of the month”, etc., but because - like so many other Guardian Druid mains - the class/spec just doesn’t feel good to play anymore. We don’t want another BFA experience, where bears are subpar until the end of the xpac, when they’re propped up by all the borrowed power systems that have been implemented. That said, no one is saying that you can’t play bear - you most certainly can. If you’ve played a bear before in previous xpacs, however, then be prepared… it’s not going to feel good to play by comparison.

It’s sad. A lot of us really enjoyed playing our big ol’ bears… and I guarantee that if Blizzard actually addressed any of our issues, a lot of old Guardian Druid mains would return in a heartbeat. I know I would!

Will I play my bear in SL? Yes; in fact, I’ll be going through the content with my bear first. My bear will be used for gathering, and will feed mats to my Monk. Will I main my bear? No. I can’t… not if it’s going to be BFA 2.0 for bears.

Thanks for your time,

Barespanks

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As a druid player since Cataclysm, I tanked mostly heroic dungeons and really enjoyed doing them. The abilities such as Challenging Roar, Demoralizing Roar, Savage Defense, baseline slow, baseline stun these things made the class FUN for me.

Granted, as a military member, I didn’t play much. My only experience raiding in Cataclysm was tanking the first two bosses in BWD. Prior to HFC, I never actually raided hardcore. Yet, I began to like it.

The part about Guardian Druid for me was the feel of the class.

When I started to raid Mythic in Legion (pretty much after the 1st Tier due to military deployments) I didn’t know Guardian druids were OP at the time, yet the Artifact weapon essentially filled in the pruning that was done at the start of Legion (removing baseline spells, baking in passives, etc.)

However, at the start of BFA, I noticed that Guardian Druid was immediately lacking, my guild knew it; being a server first guild, wanted me to switch classes. I told them I didn’t have any tank ready for Uldir opening, thus to be apart of the raid team and to contribute I had to change to a dps spec.

Now my guild could’ve worked with me playing Guardian druid, but if we wanted to progress into Mythic it was a liability, one that a BDK or BrM could easily circumvent.

I doubt Blizzard will go back to how Guardians use to be; having Warrior-type roars, a niche playstyle, and passives that improve our abilities.

Yet, I look everyday on the forums and read each comment about Guardian druids and it hurts my Ursoc-soul because as someone who was testing in the Beta for BFA I remember the frustration of not getting responses, feeling ignored.

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Fixed that for you.

Tewa repeatedly makes outlandish claims, and rather than admit her mistakes, she attacks my experience, calls me a troll and then hits ignore.

#childish

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this looks like the best way to go, i have 4 ali guardians and 3 horde guardians to try all the options with.
at the end of the day i’ll still play guardian.

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Very little self healing. Iron Fur requires rage, so we have no real buffs until we start getting our furry butt handed to us :frowning:

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Iron fur isn’t even good. There, I said it.

Depending on your stats your looking at, lets say 15% reduction to damage with the first stack. That’s great. Well designed ability so far. No complaints other than warriors having that baseline, but thats a matter of tuning.

Well that second Ironfur isn’t going to pop on another 15% reduction, more like 10% due to diminishing returns on armor.

That third Ironfur is probably going to be more like 7% and the fourth something like 4%. My numbers are contrived and I don’t have the actual math in front of me but this illustrates my point fairly well I think: that Skill-capping your rage generation doesn’t do much.

It’s very rare that I feel “I should drop brambles so I can keep up more ironfurs” the only time it really matters is if you would be stuck without your 1 or 2 stacks for a big hit.

Warrior can pop out shield block, ignore pain, revenge… they have choices. We have ironfur and maul (so basically we just have ironfur). Sometimes ironfur doesn’t do anything (a magic damage fight, for example, or PVPing a caster) while the warrior always has useful defensive or offensive options.

TLDR: While getting 4-5 ironfur stacks out at once makes you think “Yeah im freaking awesome” your not… because ironfur is not great.

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I kinda have to dissagree here…like, alot. According to videos I am watching guardian is gonna be quite nice. With some combinations of legendaries and covenant abilities bears are actually quite impressive. getting berserking means almost free ironfur and a free frenzied regen. They also are getting some really nice buffs once stuff is fully upgraded. I watched a video a couple days ago where a guardian tank was running m+15s and quite literally barely taking any damage at all. If anything I think guardian has been improved quite drastically…maybe not base but with the right covenant and legendary items they become extremely impressive.

Other tanks have access to covenant abilities and legendaries too.

Making some classes/specs decent through borrowed power while the base is bad is terrible design.

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I definately agree that it sucks when a spec is only good because of borrow power. But then you have the opposite end like the new shadow redesign. Where the base spec is awesome but you really don’t have anything to be excited about getting in the form of covenants or leggos.

There should be some balance there for sure. I just dont see bear really having enough base mitigation to really compete at the high end against other tanks. Bear feels like it is torn between being a DR tank and a self healing tank. Sadly its DR baseline isn’t enough nor is its self healing enough to make it either or. And the mix is clearly not desired by anyone.

Uh huh. Keep in mind that (a) in beta you’ve been able to build-your-own-key, and a lot of people are running “+15” dungeons with no affixes at all, and (b) people have been abusing the hell out of scaling to take older items and scale them up to SL ilvls, so they’re operating at levels they were never designed for. A lot of the M+ “testing” has been worthless, as a result. People just making clickbait.

Also getting tired of the “Guardian Druid review!” videos from people who don’t play Guardian Druid.

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Same here (on the last part). Happens alot.

Watched a dps review…until the guy said feral was really strong at start of BFA.

I’ll let you in on a secret, youtube personalities make their videos to get views. A smart “content creator” is one that knows two things sell, outrage, and “So OvErPoWeReD” type videos.

There are a lot of druids that are thirsty for good news, they’ll go out of their way to watch the “X spec looking great in shadowlands”. You’ll notice a recurring theme, they don’t provide intense details, and they certainly don’t contrast those details with the details for competing specs.

Go back, and watch those videos. Watch for the point where they explain, in detail, why you’d bring a guardian instead of say a monk. Or what the mitigation/damage of a monk vs guardian looks like. They’ll always leave it at “this legendary is sO oVeRpOwErEd!”.

Because the illusion shatters pretty quickly of they do an honest breakdown, and there’s not as many clicks from people who already know their spec is a trash fire.

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Problem then is that there are very few diehard guardian mains that stream seriously. I can think of maybe 2 off the top of my head.

Imagine: "Ok… so im gonna thrash swipe swipe swipe… and again… and again… and aga - thanks for the sub - in … ok now mangle thrash swipe because were down to 3 mobs… and again… and again… annnnnd done. Thanks for watching. "

So basically you have to play horde and it has to be furry?

It has to be fun. :slight_smile:

Nothing fun about being an Orc. (Sorry Orcs.)

Brewa is a swashbuckling mouse that can dual-wield rapiers in Shadowlands as Brewmaster. That’s fun. :mouse: :crossed_swords:

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Ahh I see… Brewa is Reepicheep!
we need a rat-tail transmog.

Definitely a good part of the inspiration, yes!

I would cancel my subscription before abandoning my druids. For guardian, I’m intrigued by the Kyrian. Night Fae is a safe choice for all druids specs.