What does Blizz see Horde players as? Money cows, just like the Alliance
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Pretty much, why else would they give us these free Azerite slave collars?
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No, itâs a âWeâre upset that the entire Horde has to suffer the consequences for Sylvanasâs actionsâ thread. Well, that plus âWhy are we both supporting and rebelling against her at the same time?â
I agree with it 100%. Does that help?
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Sometimes I feel like Metzen was the only person at Actiblizzion who liked the âNoble Hordeâ. Every other employee just sees them as a generic monster faction from any other property and writes them that way.
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Itâs true, Iâm not emotionally involved in the war campaign. If I were, Iâd either not be playing the Horde half of my toonsâŚand Iâm not sure Iâd be playing the Alliance half, either. âFaction conflict for the sake WAAAAARcraftâ is something Iâm holding my nose and getting through as a necessary evil.
Iâm quite emotionally engaged in assisting my new Zandalari allies, though. Iâm just trying to ignore why we went to Zandalar in the first place.
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Right. When we have to write our own characters out of the story, basically pretend weâre not doing most of it to keep it at all palatable, thatâs⌠not great writing.
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I think Blizzard sees them as âcoolâ villains, where weâre supposed to be excited to fight them. At least that was the intent for WoD.
Oh, the writing is horrible. Iâm just not sure the writing is intentionally trying to make us feel bad or guilty. I think that theyâre trying to create nuance - the Horde isnât totally on board with atrocity, the enemy isnât just a faceless foe - and theyâre doing it extremely badly.
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The problem, of course, being that this is a PLAYER faction weâre talking about.
Iâm not implying you donât get that, or even that youâre wrong. It just doesnât imply anything good about the writers.
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You said it perfectly. Itâd be nice if Blizzard would read this, but they wonât. Iâm not sure thereâs any way to salvage the Horde narrative at this point. They crossed the line with Teldrassil AND not allowing us to immediately rebel - thereâs nowhere else to go, now. The only way Iâve been able to play this expansion at all is to RP myself out of it and enjoy the non-war parts. How is that fun?
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Still not a single Horde has explained what they actually want Blizzard to do.
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Probably because no matter what we say, youâll sneer at it and tell us itâs stupid and/or unrealistic. Because you clearly believe there is no way for the Horde to be anything but bad.
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Iâm not sure what kind of answer youâre hoping for. You acknowledged that thereâs no way to feel like a hero for a faction doing the stuff we see in this expansion. Trying to come up with any hypothetical scenarios seems like a waste of time since they wouldnât mesh with the stuff that comes before them.
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Right.
So the story is unsalvageable.
There isnt going to be any heroic Horde moment because Horde as a faction dont do Heroic deeds, So no matter what cinematography or music you add in it isnt going to make a difference.
Best you can hope for are stuff like Old Soldier or Zandalar intro.
How about you name one example? How are you going to salvage this story and make the Horde heroic while they fight the Alliance?
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Outside of us storming our capital, holding Sylvanas accountable for whatâs sheâs done, and executing her, there isnât much we can do at this point, since we were painted as very much complicit with what she was doing given we didnât go into open revolt as soon as Teldrassil happened. And I know a lot of people that donât wish to go down that road again because we didnât care for it much when it happened in MoP. There isnât much creative things we can do or come up with to build from what is going on in the game. Just like they did when they made Garrosh so irredeemable, theyâve written the Horde into a corner. Even if we rebel again, there is nothing that can absolve us from what we allowed and ignored for the whole time.
This is why I feel like Iâve written my characters out of the story this time, and when people have to feel like that, itâs not good storytelling.
I canât even fathom how they didnât get that many Horde players hated how we played the villain several expansions back to the point they are doubling down on it so much so that they had a quest where we killed what amounted to a doctor without border. Then they beat us over the head with how bad we should feel about it as well.
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No. You have just proven why I would be an absolute fool to take your challenge:
Youâve already made up your mind that the Horde is evil, so you wonât believe any storyline that shows the Horde as non-evil is a possibility.
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I never said they were evil. But whatever, I am sure it is hard thinking what a heroic cinematic of War of Thornes would look like.
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Agreed.
Either the Horde needs to be conquered or the Alliance needs to be destroyed.
Or bad guys win and the world ends and we have to rebuild with no major factions at play.
Any one of these would be preferable than yet another we forgive you and its all Sylvanasâ fault.
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Which canât really do. Who wants to log into World of Imprisonment if youâre a horde player or World of Haha, youâre horde now! for alliance?
This is why making one side so inherently bad is never a good idea for a video game. Keep us both morally grey where we do things that is bad to each other, but not the over the top mustache twirling burn a city to the ground with innocent civilians inside bad.
Kind of like it was back in the day, because if we keep it pissing each other off periodically it makes sense that we can still band together when something comes to destroy out planet, otherwise you have the whiplash scenario where we went from all being helping and kind to each other in our class halls to now hating each other.
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