See it’s about you
Even as you try to prove that wrong your example is just in relation to you
lol, you literally said “It’s not enough that they can do it.” which was untrue. You made the topic about how I could do something, I simply pointed out that I wouldn’t be able to.
Also, why do you even bother posting here? It clearly makes you a mean person. All I see is you making constant sarcastic responses to people as you try and belittle them. Like, chill out, man.
So everyone else leveling and thinking like you will no longer exist? All those shamans and Paladins that have to level won’t be there?
If your mindset is so popular then there will be plenty of people to level with. Right?
It’s a public forum. Go make a discord channel if you want a echo chamber
Arguing that because current Blizzard’s design isn’t great, that content that is nearly identical to what came 14 years ago will not be great, is a weird idea.
I honestly disagree. The leveling and story that follows with you is one of the few good parts left in retail.
That’s because this isn’t 2005 anymore where people want to spend weeks to months leveling, and there are far more current players leveling than there are new players - so they’ve done the song and dance before.
It’s not going to in TBC, and won’t even in Wrath. Cata leveling is somewhat faster due to the EXP nerfs, and on Azeroth due to redesigned questing.
You had a point when we were all leveling our first characters. Now, over a year later, that’s just not true anymore.
Except I don’t want the boost. I won’t use it, and won’t pay for it. I just come from a neutral standpoint and fully understand that not everyone wants to make leveling take as long as possible, and many players would rather not try Classic TBC in 6 months and feel like it’s impossible to catch up and play with friends because that is already happening in Classic. I know plenty of players who feel dissuaded from trying because 1-60 is so daunting.
No it won’t.
I’m going to be leveling my draenei shaman 1-60 with the pre-patch. I’m going to be in the pack with a huge amount of players, and as I’m on a PvP server we’re going to get endlessly griefed.
With more players out in the world, there are far more people griefing. My preferred leveling is generally solo because I like doing it on my own time and not have to compete with others and deal with griefing.
If you want to play with people, level on the pre-patch.
Except there are some of us who HAVEN’T finished BFA, and would like to naturally level through it. If you are looking to get new players, isn’t it completely idiotic to make people out level it? And I am sorry, but the questing is awful in BFA because of it. If I outlevel BFA before finishing it, then it diminishes the rewards I feel I am getting and it encourages me to simply leave it. It’s a massive flaw. If you are looking to fix the game, then it should be a solution to both parties. Honestly retail should probably just have free level boosts to max since thats all retail raiders care about now. You don’t have to ruin the game for those of us that still want to play it.
And you can. You also don’t have to keep getting experience points to keep doing BFA. There’s a huge swathe of post-cap content that you can do in BFA that would never have given you experience if you did it at the time anyway.
With scaling, you can keep leveling and doing the content you like as much as you want. So I don’t get the complaints.
Except, again, scaling. And players can always go back later and do it at a higher level if they want.
BFA is awful, including the leveling in most cases. BFA also isn’t current content.
If the main motivator are the rewards, you don’t actually care about the leveling experience nor the content - you just want the cheap thrills of leveling up apparently.
The sky isn’t falling. The game isn’t going to be ruined. You can stop panicking.
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You are just strawmanning me at this point. I never said getting levels was the only thing I cared about, just that its an important piece of the game for me and I would like it to be there. You don’t have to belittle me just because you don’t understand where I am coming from or you disagree. I don’t know why people on this forum are always so hostile.
The fact is leveling happens so fast, that you hit 50 way before you even get halfway into the quests. Scaling doesn’t fix this. Leveling FEELS good, and it adds to the experience. Why would I want ANY part of the experience diminished, why shouldn’t I have that option.
I thought we were having a chill conversation, but if you are going to get this aggressive then I will just bounce out, man. Have a nice day.
What do you do in Classic if you hit 60 and still have quests to do? Do you feel it’s ruined because you don’t get an end credits scene, like in most video games? Or do you keep doing the quests because you actually care about the content and the questing you’re doing? Because it honestly sounds like you couldn’t care less about the content itself.
From what you’ve been saying, the most important thing in the game to you is leveling, and once that’s done you lose interest - fine. You’re in the minority here, but that’s not a big issue. What is a problem is that you feel personally attacked by changes made for the majority that will - honestly - not really affect you. Vanilla questing is bad. It requires a lot of knowledge and exploration to actually get somewhere, and doesn’t even really take you to 60 without extensive knowledge and often a guide.
TBC questing was also never intended to end at 70. It was intended to keep going, and it does.
I’m not belittling you because I don’t understand you, nor because I disagree. I’m belittling you because you feel personally attacked by changes made to the game 14 years ago, and by the option for other players not to have to slog through the 1-58 grind to try and get to the current content. You seem to think that because you enjoy it, others hopefully will, and that you want as many people as possible to be populating the world regardless of their feelings about it.
Victim complex in action.
In retail, yes. This is somewhat intended because of the sheer volume of content available. Do you want people to have to go through every expansion in order still, or have to completely finish out an expansion to get to current content?
Also this is entirely unrelated to Classic and Classic TBC so I don’t understand the point.
Scaling lets you continue doing content instead of running out of green quests forcing you to leave mid-questline.
Many people enjoy leveling. As a veteran of 17 years, I’ve done my fair share. I enjoyed Classic leveling once or twice - but my 4th 60 was boosted because I was bored of it. I’ll enjoy TBC leveling. But that doesn’t mean I want it to take as long as possible, or that other players also want that.
I’m not saying you should want it. I’m saying that you arguing to make it artificially take longer to satisfy you over the majority is the problem.
I am chill. It’s just you keep making this about you rather than the game.
a vast majority of the playerbase do NOT look at the forums. at all.
you should never use the forums as a judge of majority opinion.
Forums are where people who like to share opinions are found. people who like to share their opinions often and loudly.
never take forums seriously.
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“Victim complex in action.” You literally admitted to belittling me. It’s not some imagined complex. You are going around purposefully attacking people and trying to make them feel bad for having a different opinion on a video game than you.
Yeah most give zero craps. I’ve never heard people in game talk about this
When the boost rolls out they’ll still not care
You started this entire conversation acting as a victim, so I didn’t try and avoid mentioning it.
Also you ignored literally every reason I gave for why your objections to the boost (and, evidently, the TBC -30% required XP 1-60 nerf) are personal and not reflective of the health of the game, or general opinion of the playerbase, and why you’re quite selfish for wanting to artificially slow everyone else’s leveling to appease yourself.
I offered a solution to the retail problem and you completely ignored it. So you haven’t been paying any respect to my solutions, so why would I continue to offer them? You also keep purposefully strawmanning my points and insulting me. Why would I continue a conversation with you? What entitles you to that?
I ignored it because this isn’t the retail forums. There are so many things wrong with the retail game that just “fixing” the leveling - in your eyes, which would mean slowing leveling down - won’t actually have any impact whatsoever. The issue comes with the design intention with current content, not outdated content.
I’m not really sure why you’re here if you want to talk about retail.
Your solution seems to be solely slowing leveling down, which they already did in retail and it was hated.
exactly. the majority don’t care
there is no reason for blizzard to listen to this change about boosts.
I’d be going into Classic TBC alone but now have 6 friends that are going to resub after I told them about the boost. After talking with my friends I myself will be boosting a warlock for good arena comps with them.
I get why people are upset but there’s no way blizzard will remove the boost. They would be absolute idiots as a business to lose out on so much profit from the boost. They legit said they would have offered a boost back in the day if they had the technology.
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Wasn’t my solution, my solution for retail was max level boosts so raiders could simply do max level raids and stop having to worry about leveling content that they seem to hate anyway.
Blizzard shouldn’t pay attention to the forums at all. This place is a toxic dump. It’s all just people attacking each other. If they do pay attention to these forums, it is easy to see how the game went from the goodness that was classic to the utter garbage that is retail.
Hey that’s awesome that you’ll be able to play with your friends! I too have a friend who is only coming back thanks to this. Idk what will become of it but I’m excited to play with him again.
Hope you and your friends have a blast!
Boost has literally nothing to do with retails problems
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