Whispering harassment should get you a week suspension

[Gridia-hydraxis]

If someone is mean to you, put them on ignore. if they use slurs, threats, or its repeated, or with strong language, then you ‘should’ report. Reporting for someone hurting your feelings isn’t the way to go about it. I am all about manners and respect, of course. But a extreme measure should be for extreme offenses. Whispering to someone they suck and should quit wow or calling them a total moron are not extreme. That’s my take.

You gotta remember, this stuff could be on their record for years, long after they grew up and have changed as a person. Should one time they lost their cool earn them a week of no play and a blemish on their account?

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

Most of this non-sense would stop if there were not so much anonymity behind accounts.

[Prickles-emerald-dream]

@Gridia-hydraxis

Should one time they lost their cool earn them a week of no play and a blemish on their account?

Yes

[Manslaughter-firetree]

@Radalpho-proudmoore

Most of this non-sense would stop if there were not so much anonymity behind accounts.

So would a lot of subscriptions.

[Westwest-malganis]

do your feelings get hurt from strangers on the internet saying mean things to you just HAD to come to forums and make this statement?

just do what any rational person would do and just ignore it?

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

You are mostly likely right they would. In some ways that may not be a bad thing

[Pinar-stormrage (Pinar)]

If we lose some subs because people can’t be jerks to others in a game without consequences i’m not sure many people would be losing sleep over that.

[Manslaughter-firetree]

@Radalpho-proudmoore

You are mostly likely right they would. In some ways that may not be a bad thing

In what way would chasing away more players from an already declining player base be good?

[Appolionara-icecrown]

I just think we need to stop letting the trolls report people for calling them out.
Three times this year I have gotten a notice because I called a troll out. Not mean or abusive, just asking them “Why do you pay to play this game, only to come into chat and intentionally say stupid things to try and get negative attention?”

Thats all I ever ask.
They never have an answer. But apparently Blizzards answer is “Ignore them and make it be somebody elses problem.”

Which is weak-minded af. They are more worried about their precious subs that they wont ban the people losing them subs…Ironic, no?

[Gridia-hydraxis]

Fair enough I guess. But I guess you have never made a mistake and never will? That’s a bold standard to have. People need SOME wiggle room for error, we’re human. It’s how you have a happy fanbase as a game creator.

The trick is to balance fairness with punishment. Too loose, and everyone breaks the rules and trolls each other. Too strict, the game is cold, sterile, quiet and withdrawn, and alot would just go play something else. No one likes playing in a pseudo police state of affairs.

I am not advocating people being able to say and act however they want scot free. I am however saying a punishment should come with a warning, and fit the crime.

[Appolionara-icecrown]

@Gridia-hydraxis

The trick is to balance fairness with punishment. Too loose, and everyone breaks the rules and trolls each other. Too strict, the game is cold, sterile, quiet and withdrawn, and alot would just go play something else. No one likes playing in a pseudo police state of affairs.

Or you do what Blizzard does, and just automate the process through a cold unthinking ai, that leaves the game sterile, quiet and empty.
Nobody wants to come in to chat, asking a basic question that almost any veteran player could answer…only to get “go check wowhead, scrub” and other such nonsense.

Blizzard’s motto is “If you don’t like what somebody says, put them on ignore so that they move on to some other target who does not know how to handle trolls and actually gets mad and then ends up getting banned. We here at Blizzard, would like you to know that we take a hard stance on abuse in chat…but we won’t actually do anything to the people instigating, just the victims of their intentionally antagonistic stupidity”

LEarn from my mistake. Don’t call out the trolls, Blizzard makes too much money off of them, so it just gets you in trouble and they get to walk around completely unpunished.

Do what I do, and just ask a simple question: “Why do you pay to play this game, only to type intentionally ignorant things in the hopes of getting attention? Why do you want so much negative attention?”

They never have an answer, and it almost always gets them to just flat out hush up. They don’t even have anything to say about it. Most of them just leave, chat becomes positive again, and the rain cloud has passed.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

@Appolionara-icecrown

Blizzard’s motto is “If you don’t like what somebody says, put them on ignore so that they move on to some other target who does not know how to handle trolls and actually gets mad and then ends up getting banned. We here at Blizzard, would like you to know that we take a hard stance on abuse in chat…but we won’t actually do anything to the people instigating, just the victims of their intentionally antagonistic stupidity”

This is not Blizzard’s stance. This is an emotional response that honestly sounds like you got some sort of action against you, and you are now “mad” at Blizzard.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

Sure – The most toxic people would join/play/participate and that would be a good thing.

[Appolionara-icecrown]

@Radalpho-proudmoore

This is not Blizzard’s stance. This is an emotional response that honestly sounds like you got some sort of action against you, and you are now “mad” at Blizzard.

You know what they tell you to do when there is a troll in chat?
“Ignore them and move on”
quoted from the mouths of nearly 15 different GM’s.
That is, in fact, Blizzard’s stance on things.

Ignore it so it becomes somebody elses problem.
I can see with my own two eyes that unless you have a group of friends to also report somebody at the same time, your report essentially gets ignored.

Literally reported people for using genuinely racist slurs for almost a solid hour.
Dudes back the next day, completely unpunished.
Happens on a nearly daily basis, and yet I keep seeing those people in chat over and over and over…

Blizzard just wants us to /ignore literally anybody and everybody that is even a minor annoyance to you. They would rather you just pretend nothing is wrong while the house is on fire so they can keep collecting your pension…

AKA, they ignore the problem until it becomes a server wide issue, or to the point where trolls are doxxing people and the FBI gets involved…
Then, and ONLY then does Blizzard ever really truly do something.

MEanwhile, if you call attention to the clearly flawed system, they just mute your account for a few days.
That also happens nearly every time I say something about this topic.

I don’t need anecdotes, when everybody playing can see it for themselves.
Or, they could…if they would stop putting on blinders and actually help clean up their own community.

But that would take people actually working together.
WoW players as a whole, are pretty bad at that. Sure we can raid together…but outside of the raid group, how many people are “bros” or even talk?

Half the people I know literally don’t even anything other than guild chat on.
They know the community is so toxic that its not even worth having the chat open…
Because people keep ignoring the real problem by putting a lid on it.
Therapy tells us all that keeping that much toxicity bottled up, tends to have some pretty detrimental effects.

We are people playing. We are in a community. We have emotions.
All of those things tell me that if we keep “ignoring” the problem away, eventually nobody will be talking in chat because all the new players keep getting scared away by either the dead chat or the overly toxic chat because they are left alone with nobody to help guide them…because we are all too busy ignoring the problem…

Its a cycle, and if you think otherwise, I don’t know what to say.

And if you think Blizzard genuinely does anything to people who are actually toxic, then you are sadly mistaken.

It is a company, at the end of the day. And a capitalist-style company too…So their main goal is profits.
Actually banning all the toxic players would put too much of a dent in their subs.
Its easier to just put a glass wall between the animals so they don’t hurt each other, while Blizzard sits back and still makes money off of all of us.
Good or bad, toxic or sweet…doesn’t matter. They want out money, and if they have to completely ruin the general atmosphere of the community as a whole…they will gladly do that, and they will hand you the blinders so you can keep running down the burning halway, ignoring all the people on your way out…

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

Telling someone they are a bad tank, their dps is low, they over-healed too much, their transmog is ugly, etc is not harassment and thus if you don’t like their comment, their stance is ignore them. Totally agree with this.

Using racial slurs, threating life and limb, etc - that is harassment and should be dealt with.
You really should learn the difference.

[Dinkgus-stormrage]

Yeah they tried this and Blizzard CMs got doxed so they ended that real quick.

[Prîdë-moon-guard]

Yes, it should. But we can’t have good things because guess what? People will find loopholes around that to intentionally troll and provoke others. Just like how we can’t have M+ punishments for leavers. Imagine just randomly going AFK, hearthing to quest somewhere once a key starts. Just baiting out that angry whisper.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

Yea – Sadly that is the downside to it. Hopefully some day they will find a happy medium.

[Prîdë-moon-guard]

@Appolionara-icecrown

That is, in fact, Blizzard’s stance on things.

Ignore it so it becomes somebody elses problem.

And they got their reward with how the community’s like. Which is further discouraging other players. And as a result, now they have that social contract which is like a guillotine hanging over people’s necks.

@Appolionara-icecrown

And if you think Blizzard genuinely does anything to people who are actually toxic, then you are sadly mistaken.

It is a company, at the end of the day. And a capitalist-style company too…So their main goal is profits.
Actually banning all the toxic players would put too much of a dent in their subs.
Its easier to just put a glass wall between the animals so they don’t hurt each other, while Blizzard sits back and still makes money off of all of us.
Good or bad, toxic or sweet…doesn’t matter. They want out money, and if they have to completely ruin the general atmosphere of the community as a whole…they will gladly do that, and they will hand you the blinders so you can keep running down the burning halway, ignoring all the people on your way out…

And this is the primary reason why we have people who solo play, can’t stand guilds and all sorts of nonsense. They never took care of the psychological part of the players or invested -any- resources into it because its a huge ‘waste’ when they could just be lining up their pockets. But guess what? It is a long time dent on their pockets. Its true that people will be offended or upset with each other no matter what but certain things that have gone unpunished. Like stealing off a guild bank and/or back then master loot ninja’ing everything. Being toxic and starting crap up.

@Radalpho-proudmoore

Telling someone they are a bad tank, their dps is low, they over-healed too much, their transmog is ugly, etc is not harassment and thus if you don’t like their comment, their stance is ignore them.

Yeah bro your transmog is fugly.

[Radalpho-proudmoore (Radalpho)]

@Prîdë-moon-guard

Yeah bro your transmog is fugly.

What?? I worked hard on this transmog.
I feel insulted, harassed and singled out.
I’m going to have to report you and if Blizzard does not nuke your accounts across all Blizzard games, give me back all of the money I’ve spent with them including all maintenance downtimes that I was aware of and agreed to but still think I’m entitled to have money back for, I’m going to rage quit and take my monthly 15.00 and stop playing to show them who’s in charge.