Apology accepted, its good.
Im afraid “Im pretty sure” isnt exactly hard proof. Specially since jaina refuses to press the attack during rasta’s funeral and Anduin wanted to avoid this exact situation.
Also, last time i saw grong he had handlers- and the same goes the other way, undead grong was also let just attack in the middle of the city. And we know that undead that died violently are raised confused, angry and swing at the first thing they see
I have a guess that if this situation were real somehow, Sylvanas would take some small pleasure in these events.
I am sure she would have loved for Rastakhan to be a potent Ally on the battlefield. And the use of the Zandalari fleet. But now she has something else of value: Zandalari passion to seek the end of the Alliance.
She would outwardly sell rage and vengeance. She might even be furious herself.
Her plan was probably to have a loyal partner who agreed with her goals and worked together with her. Now, she has Allies with a blood feud against her enemies.
Also, at Rastakhan’s funeral, Kiro expresses understanding of the Faction conflict, outrage at the Alliance, and the commitment of his people to aid the Zandalari.
Kiro definitely is not a fan of what just happened. He sees a clear culprit, and a clear victim.
Then who the Hell is that Death Knight in the first two cutscenes? Because I clearly see “King Arthas” in the text box. Stop lying.
I stand corrected, Sylvanas wanted to take her time to torture Arthas, then Kel’thuzad came and saved him, only reason he didn’t die there. Otherwise Sylvanas would have taken her sweet time killing him. So no, she didn’t leave Arthas as you made it seem, she was forced to retreat.
Proof enough to see that Genn and the Heroes are slaughtering Civilians, though people say ‘combatants’ because ‘Furious Merchants’.
Not really, we see that there are robots that antagonize Grong to make him angry, nothing more.
By that point, the civilians had already been evacuated or murdered, Grong who was just raised by Bwonsamdi was let loose on a area that the Alliance had already murdered their way through.
I like how you demand everyone watch Nobbel as irrefutable proof, yet you clearly lie about watching a video directly pulled from Warcraft III. Otherwise, you would have clearly seen Arthas’s involvement.
Is this just a joke to you at this point?
Also ![:clap:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/clap.png?v=6" ":clap:")
can we hit 900?
Wait, hold on a second. The melon cutter doesn’t die during the raid, does he? He hasn’t finished cutting his melon yet!
And we’re still going strong, my friend. We could conceivable make 1000. I have faith. Do you?
I missed it at the start, sue me. I watched it again and saw it and I admitted I was wrong. Unlike you, I can do that. But the other point still stands, she did not choose to let Arthas go.
We won’t know until after 8.1.5, considering the Alliance was well happy to murder civilians, we can only hope that the melon splitter made it out before the Dark Iron blocked the exits and burned anyone that wanted to get out.
It’s hard to believe because after Godfrey put a bullet in her head and showed her how easily she can be taken out by a blind spot, she should be living in a bunker isolated from then world in maximum security and safety, not going blows to blows with Malfurion personally, when she herself practically admits she might not be able to take in a fight.
Nobody’s saying she chose to let Arthas go. She DID choose to drag out his suffering, instead of simply killing him quickly on the spot - an idiotic choice that led to thousands and thousands of people losing their lives to him.
Because as paranoid as she may be, she still needs to fight, she still needs to see these things done. She rarely trusts anyone, Nathanos being a exception. Which is why she usually either has our hero of the Horde or Nathanos go on missions for her if she isn’t personally there to do it.
The other thing is that Sylvanas is pretty good at manipulating, lately we see little of this, but we saw it happen when Vol’jin died using his death and the Horde’s sorrow to inspire them to follow her, even though most probably didn’t like her. Or how he convinced Saurfang (by using logical and factual arguments) convinced Saurfang that this war was inevitable.
No, the way Ire made it sound like, it sounded like she let him go to let him suffer. Which sounds absolutely dumb and is not what happened.
Anybody who knows anything about the lore knows exactly what Ire meant. Even coming off of Amadis’s statement about her letting Genn go, it’s easy to construe that she didn’t straight up let Arthas walk.
Yes, to me that sounded ‘She had him at her mercy and let him go willingly.’ Considering this entire argument thread was about Sylvanas CHOOSING to step away when she wanted Saurfang to prove himself. Watch the video some more, it shows her forcing Varimathras to kill his brother even though it is a strict Nathrezim taboo to kill another Nathrezim and stood there and watched, waiting.
I intentionally said she failed, not that she let him go. Because I vaguely remember her not killing him when she probably could, then him being saved. I haven’t bothered to rewatch it in a while.
This is inherently the very thing that is contradictory and makes either/or less believable to me.
Then I apologize for missunderstanding, but it is not comparable to the actual argument. She wanted him dead, and she would have killed him had Kel’thuzad not interfered.
Why? Her Paranoia does not allow her to trust many others, Nathanos being a exception. Which is why she needs to see ehrself to make sure those plans are set out. And as said, she still knows how to manipulate. Which is why she fights the way she does, to show her soldiers that she is worthy of following.
I already specified why. Her fear of death should keep her from the front line. Being on the front lines diminishes the credibility of her fear of death. Not trusting others does not factor into that, because she can find ways to not be in danger of death without putting anyone at risk, especially through manipulation. That instead she puts everyone at risk, and herself the most, breaks the idea that she’s paranoid of dying.
No, she just squandered the best chance she would ever have of killing him. If she had just cut his throat instead of monologuing like a Bond villain, Arthas would have never reached Northrend to merge with Ner’zhul and the Scourge might have been ended much sooner.
And this is 860.
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