You’re going to have to quote me what you mean. I’m not questioning her remorse so much as she and Genn both probably earnestly want to be morally superior to Sylvanas in their own world views. So their decision seems to match with that rationale.
I’m sure if the orcs could, they would eat nothing but human babies in every meal. Humans are just smarter and don’t leave their infants within biting range of orcs.
Okay. Could the Alliance have done more to avoid civilian casualties? Maybe. A better question is why were there civilians in the city at all? The Alliance’s entire battle plan was built around convincing the Horde that an attack was coming from the North. So if the Horde knew in advance that the city was about to become a war zone, then why weren’t the civilians evacuated? Either the civilians who were in the city chose to stay and fight (in which case, they were militia and thus legitimate targets) or the Horde intended to use them as shields.
Probably because they felt confident they could prevent the Alliance from ever reaching the city. Besides, where would the Zandalari civilians evacuate to? They strike me as far too proud (and limited in allies) to evacuate their civilians anywhere.
to be fair, the zandalari intended to fight the alliance in nazmir and win there.
but it was a JEBAITED because the alliance attacked by surprise from the south.
If the horde knew in advance the city was going to become a warzone…they would not have stripped the city of nearly all of its defenses. The plan was to stop them at the Blood Gate, far outside of the city. Your statement makes zero sense.
I can ask the same, have you been paying attention? I literally say that Anduin is the only one of the Alliance who ACTUALLY wants peace. Who questions the entirety of Dazar’alor for good reason.
But here are the facts of the matter: Is Anduin in Dazar’alor? Is he there to keep Genn in check? No, he isn’t. Just like he wasn’t there to keep him in check in Stormheim. Genn has a habit of not doing what Anduin tells him.
He doesn’t, he justifies the murder of Zandalari Civilians (and yes, Soldiers too, but Soldiers actually chose to fight, so that isn’t murder) with the whole: They chose the Horde, so we can kill as many of them as we want, and we are justified in doing so.
Wrong, nice try though.
Maybe because they didn’t have the time to evacuate? The attack came unexpected, to the point that by the time we knew of the attack, the Alliance had already pushed to the Blood Gate, and no days go by when we push into Nazmir, hours I would give it at most when we realize we’ve been duped and the fleet goes. And by that point, civilians are fleeing in masses, but as said, the Dark Iron were blocking the emergency exits and picking off any Zandalari they could find and would have probably murdered mre if the Horde had not stopped them, so no, not all chose to stay, some just couldn’t anymore, same reason why not all civilians were evacuated out of Teldrassil.
You didn’t see the alliance side. I know. I just lurked your armory page. I’ve seen everything we did. Gen isn’t being a blood thirsty d-bag. He cheers us on, but he’s not laughing maniacally as we slaughter children. He even sighs in resigned sadness when he realizes rastabro won’t surrender, and tells us to “do what must be done” sadly. I even made jokes in our discord after he said that in genn’s voice “i’ll uh… be on the corner supervising. Help? No no… i, uh… broke a nail. I can’t.”
Seriously. Watch the rastabro fight. Genn’s not being the monster you’re claiming he is.
Eh, the fight has different dialogue depending on which side you play. On the horde side, Genn is pretty bloodthirsty. Which side is the cannon one? who knows.
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well that’s… dumb.
This demands a new topic…
Only the North path and the harbor were cut off. The East and West routs out of the city were open.
Even if you are absolutely certain that you can stop an attack before it reaches a civilian center, you still evacuate the civilians. That’s standard procedure.
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I did the Raid Finder and the moment that cemented him was the line I just gave, he literally uses that line I think either before Grong or before the Jadefire Masters… not sure which one where he says that all trolls deserve to die because they chose to side with the Horde.
I will take the ‘L’ that the the Alliance side is probably the correct one, that he tries to keep up appearance that he still does as Anduin tells him. Seeing how the Horde version is just a recollection of a bystander who was probably painting it as she saw it, which would proabably give her some narrative liberties.
You refuse to acknowledge the aspect of time? That we had no time to evacuate a city as large as Teldrassil in hours, when the Night Elves couldn’t do that feat in weeks?
they had nowhere to run.
the city became a warzone without giving them time. now if they chosed to take some swords and fight that is another story.
So the Civilians would evacuate into… the Jungles filled with hostile wildlife? I feel a second Taurajo is lurking around a corner…
because zandalari have lots of settlements they can evacuate civilians to
oh wait.
“But what about the portals?” The very portals the alliance apparently disabled?
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The Alliance one is canon, because we actually see it happen. The Horde version of Rastakhan is a story told to you by a guard.
And while the Dark Iron forces do fight some civilians, I cannot find where you claim they were being rounded up. Find me some screen shots, if you can.
People seem to forget that time was not given to them to evacuate civilians, the attack was sudden, but I guess for the Alliance it is a valid excuse, seeing how it fits with their hypocritical mindset: Alliance attacks a valid military target with civilians in it. Should have evacuated it in the hours you had. Horde attacks and destroys a valid military target with civilians in it. MONSTERS! Erm… you had weeks to evacuate… MONSTERS!
Where do these civilians fight? Out in the streets? Or are they huddled in their huts trying to keep fire elementals and corehounds at bay? Tell you what, I did LFR already on all my characters, but next tuesday at reset I will send you a screenshot, deal?
No, they were fighting. Show me a screen shot of an Alliance member killing an unarmed, cowering civilian. You can’t.
No, because the Zandalari were trying to kill them .
If you you are slinging around insults at everyone, yes. I don’t care what happens to you because you have no self control.
Speculative. You have no proof they were being dishonest. Actually, we know they weren’t being dishonest, because they did exactly what they said they were going to do. Not pressing the advantage.
Which he knew and was completely willing, concenting and cooperating every step of the way. He made that sacrifice knowing the risks because the Horde has been so terrible to his people.
He has handlers who direct him, and the Alliance only deploys him in military targets. With no civilians even present.
I State only facts. All you do it deny and speculate. Headcannon isn’t lore. Sorry.
Just did it again
So they had time to organize an army and march all the way to Nazmir but they didn’t have time to evacuate? Anyone who has studied military history and tactics knows that organizing an army of that size is a herculean task.
Yep, I bet if the Night Elf full-grown civilians had a huge beast coming at them ready to tear their throats out, I am sure they would have just kneeled down and been all like: SPARE ME! Dream on.
Victim-blaming, I am done. You are a hypocrite and this is the last time I will address you, have a good life.
Not really, considering that the flyers were already prepped for something else… I think for some sort of inspection? So those were sent immediately, there was already a large ground force sent to the Blood Gates beforehand to hold it and only the non-docked fleet was able to be sent, all of that happens in the quickest rush.
Seriously? I guess I missed one, will do it then in the morning, it is literally 1:30 in the morning and I am in no condition to raid even a boring LFR at this point. But I could walk into the instance… brb with the screenshot.
Gelbin shows how far they were willing to go, going as far as claiming that Dazar’alor belongs to the Alliance now. Again, the Alliance didn’t leave because they chose to, they left because the Zandalari and Horde armies were overwhelming them.