Because there is nothing in particular about the Battle for Dazar’alor to be outraged by. Absolutely nothing could be qualified as an atrocity. This really just comes off as a equivalent of 'I was flagged and got killed, that’s not fair."
THIS guy got 460+ comments on his thread.
We’re better than GD here guys. How did we let this happen?
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And yet they didn’t, whether or not you think they would. Hence they are not morally equivalent.
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Yes, and why is that? Not out of the goodness of their heart as you try to claim, but because we didn’t allow them too. Kinda hard to set fire to gold and stone. Sorry that the trolls are obviously smarter then the elves, adding to the other point that they were being chased out by Horde and Zandalari forces.
man, i wish they would just nuke the damn place then we can really call it an atrocity and going too far. and we can proudly say, our theramore.
I rest my case ![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
also this.
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Why are they not morally equivalent? Because I think actual consequences matter in judging moral weight, I think most people would agree with that concept. Hence why killing a million people would be seen as worse than just killing one person.
So yeah, actual outcome should matter in showing Teldrassil is the worse of these two events. Doesn’t matter whether or not you think they would have, the end result is they didn’t.
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Problem is, the Alliance does not possess such a super-weapon. A mana-bomb like that does not exist anymore. The Alliance has nothing to reduce Zandalar to rubble. All they could do:
-Murder civilians.
-Murder their Monarch for not surrendering to hostile invaders.
-Run or else be slaughtered by the obviously superior Zandalar and Horde forces that have been coming back.
I disagree, INTENT matters just as much in defining if a person is good and bad. Just because I failed to kill you doesn’t mean I didn’t want to. The Alliance obviously intended to claim Zandalar and murder every troll they found, seeing how I pointed out previously that they did not care who they killed. Civilian or soldier. And no, not head-canon, Gelbin already was going on how Dazar’alor now belongs to the Alliance, so no, it wasn’t that they intended to just go away afterwards, they were forced out.
See my above comment. Intent matters. Just because Sylvanas succeeded in what she set out to do and Genn failed to do what he set out to do, doesn’t make Genn better, he still intended to kill all Trolls. And only left because of the heroic interference of the Horde to push out those hostile invaders.
I mean I get it. you’re trying to see your side in a positive light. And was there some collateral damage? probably.
We killed some civilians, if everything you say is true. And even then, a non-combatant stabbing at you with a sword will kill you just as surely as a trained soldier’s. You don’t just stand there and take it because “oh, thats a civilian. can’t kill him. guess i’m dead now.”
The difference is we came to your city to dissuade your potential allies from joining you, not to erase their race and make you “abandon all hope.” Your ally’s city is still standing, none the worse for the wear. They still have a general population. They have a new leader.
These things aren’t the same. I get you trying to justify it. but they are not. Akiyass knows from our discussion the other day that I’m one of the biggest horde apologists this side of a stupid forced faction conflict, but yeah… you’s the bad guyz friend. learn to accept it.
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Surrender is always an option.
You have no proof that the Alliance would kill unarmed civilians, surrendering.
If only your employer could see you here, I doubt you would be employed very long.
You have no proof that the Alliance would kill surrendering civilians. Considering they didn’t even want to kill Rahstakhan, there is evidence to the contrary that the Alliance would kill them.
They actually expressly didn’t press the advantage because, and I quote “That would make us just as bad as the Horde.”
So, wrong again.
That Wild Beast was a highly intelligent Gorrilla, empowered by Kajamite, who’s people were being enslaved by the Horde. He volunteered to do what he did, and he attacked a Military base within the city. No civilian casualties.
No good arguments, only facts that prove you are wrong.
The people who have time and time again refuted every single point you have made.
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Civillians who should be fleeing or hiding in their homes, not attempting to fight against an invading army
Kill the monarch that fought against them while empowered by a deity of death
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Both intent and consequence matter, in my view. Again, would you view a million deaths as worse than just one? Actual outcome matters and intent matters in assessing the chance of a repeat offense.
That said, even if I grant they intended to murder every troll they found (which I don’t), Sylvanas’ intent in destroying Teldrassil was to kill all the Night Elves in the city. So we remain with at best equivalent intent and in-equivalent consequences. So they are still not morally equivalent.
I don’t think any of this evidence is sufficient proof they wanted to “kill every troll they found”. Especially when post-battle, they decide not to press the advantage they believed they had.
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For what it’s worth it’s nice seeing Horde players support this expansion. I don’t get why, but at least someone’s happy.
I suppose at least one person believes that Dazar’alor counts as payback for Teldrassil. G’job, Blizzard.
Seeing how this stupid point is being made by multiple people let us nip this in the bud, those civilians were huddled in their huts, did the Dark Iron leave them alone? Nope, their corehounds and fire elementals attacked them. So sorry for you that they didn’t kneel down and allow those beasts to burn and tear them apart.
What? Are you one of those SJWs who report everyone who disagrees with them to their employers so they lose their job? Pathetic.
TO ANDUIN! The only person who actually wants peace, yeah, I can see them being honest with him… NOT!
Most damning piece of evidence right here, he isn’t smart anymore, the embiggifier transfers intelligence into size and strength, he got that big by sacrificing his intelligence, by the end he is not even smart enough to recognize you anymore and needs to be restrained, thusly, he cannot tell friend from foe, and thusly not combatant from civilian.
You stated no facts, so wrong again.
You didn’t sorry.
Because ANDUIN is there, you know the only peace-lover of the bunch? I guess none of you know what LIEING is.
Of course, if you force them to fight back, as said the Dark Iron were literally blocking the escape route for the civilians and murdering anyone who they could get their hands on. We saw that with Civilians being coraled into their huts by corehounds and fire-elementals and with a wild beast with no control over his actions being set free over a unsuspecting city. ‘Keep Civilian casualties to a minimum!’ my foot.
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you’re right. this is bad.
You’re wrong if you think it’s the same as burning an entire capital city to the ground.
And as said, if the Alliance could have done that, they would have. Zandalari are just smarter and didn’t build their home atop a giant flammable object. They set a huge, uncontrollable King Kong loose on Dazar’alor with no regard who he might hurt, might be some Zandalari child not one thought is wasted on it. I am sure that if the Alliance HAD some sort of super weapon to do what Sylvanas did to Teldrassil, they would have, seeing how Genn justifies the murder of the Zandalari trolls, civilians or otherwise, as their own fault.
Again, still not morally equivalent because in-equivalent consequences.
More that the storytelling doesn’t give me a good enough reason to believe it was a lie. I believe Jaina truly wishes to be morally good in her own ethical system. And considering it as a lie just seems to be an intellectually dishonest way of rejecting inconvenient evidence. Much how calling a Blizzard employee wrong without significant counter-evidence fits that same obtuseness.
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How about the fact that she was gloating to Talanji about murdering her father and people before leaving. That leads me to believe that she doesn’t feel as sorry for the Zandalari as she is letting on.
c’mon man… do you really think that was Anduin’s goal?
Have you even been paying attention?