Killing Malfurion was always part of the plan.
We never actually saw Saurfang’s “genocide the elves off Kalimdor” plan. The writer kept it a secret from us (the readers) for the sake of making some of the twists surprising. But all the characters in the narrative agreed that killing Malfurion was always part of it.
- Aggravated over being called NPC
- Constantly repeats the same action
Also, y’know continually spamming reports is a surefire way to get Blizzard to ignore you and/or ban YOU for abusing the report system, right? Notice how none of the people you reported have been banned? You’re making empty threats and only making yourself look like an angry little boy.
Of course, you’ll likely report this comment too.
This. Don’t get me wrong, I DESPERATELY WISH the game gave us reason to believe in our side of the war, but when you know that zandalari are strong enough to drive their fingers through plate armor without monk training, lethal force is pretty justified against them.
Honestly, this is why I’m not playing, anymore. The writing team doesn’t want us to be justified, and it falls to a dwindling number of diehards to leap to increasingly tenuous excuses for why we should be involved at all.
The sides are not equivalent, and they never will be until Anduin bolts upright in bed, drenched in sweat from the horrible nightmare he got by going to bed thinking about reuniting some forsaken with their living relatives.
Then why did it surprise Saurfang to notice that Sylvanas was upset he wasn’t around early in the campaign?
It may have always been Sylvanas’ plan, but, unless you start speculating about Saurfang’s mental state, the actual textual evidence we have makes it clear that that plan was kept from him.
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Wait… when did this happen? And it was from a random civilian and not any kind of Zandalari Troll who had some kind of training in combat of any sort?
Shadows of the Horde. It’s a warrior, not a random civilian, but it still illustrates the point that such feats are within the normal range for them.
So, yes trained, but not trained in the setting’s dedicated “make punch gooder” art, like Vol’jin was, nor augmented like a dire troll.
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Hmmmm last time I checked Dazar’alor is still standing and intact with the majority of the population still living. Teldrassil is a charred, useless husk with only a tiny handful of survivors that managed to get through the portal to Stormwind and all the rest dead). Also…war of thorns was an unprovoked attack/invasion, the Zandalari were helping the Horde war effort and thus were a legitimate military target. Yes some civilains were probably killed, but as the Sylvanas fan club are so fond of saying 'hur hur LOL war is war people die hur hur".
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Ehhh… not quite. The Night Elves were sending their armies south to secure Silithus and the Azerite for the Alliance. A military campaign over contested territory certainly seems to justify being, ‘provoked,’ into attacking the Night Elves.
holy crap this thread was a wild ride
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I’m amazed it’s still here, to be honest.
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As much as I want to see the Alliance be presented as more multifaceted and nuanced, when a civilian attacks an invading force, they are now a combatant, and it’s appropriate to attack them back.
The Horde were trying to mine/secure the azerite too, and they were fed false information that the Horde army was marching south, so moving the night elf army south was sort of a counterplay. Regardless I was mainly trying to point out that the near-genocide of nothing but civilians in Teldrassil/Darnassus in no way compares to the attack on Dazar’alor, especially in terms of innocents killed.
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Now that the Troll has fallen silent, I feel like we have an opportunity to have real conversation.
As some of you might already know, I am pretty unforgiving of the Horde and not always sympathetic to it’s players. It’s just my perspective on things. With that being said, I do feel like the Horde is going to have the opportunity to strike back after this.
Right now, the Horde is losing this war majorly. Their navy is gone, their forces are splintered, and their unity is broken. We know Sylvanas must have a plan, and the empty blade of the Black Empire falls into her hands.
I am still holding out on something… Which, I admit, is a bit wonky and I think most people disagree with me. But, I believe the Alliance is going to get Naga as an allied race at some point… And the Eternal Palace raid that features Azsahra, will be a Horde attack on an Alliance territory.
When you go at an enemy soldier, even with a closed fist, you are a combatant now. The Alliance could’ve done a bombardment once they had naval superiority, but instead did a strike right up to Rastakhan.
Also, the War was unprovoked, because the Alliance and Horde tried peace in Before the Storm - talking between the two factions only broke down in the aftermath of Arathi, not in the aftermath of Genn saving Azeroth or the Horde attacking the Explorer’s League outpost during Before the Storm (all to kidnap a gnome!).
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Your ally’s (not your) city is still standing. That’s not just like teldrassil.
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Reminder that Blizzard considers BOD “payback for Teldrassil”.
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Payback for Teldrassil needs to include Sylvanas in some capacity further than her showing up after all the carnage and going “oh no, how sad for you.”
This is just evidence that Blizz doesn’t understand what makes for a satisfying story.
If Bob breaks my nose, punching Bob’s friend Tim in the face doesn’t constitute payback, nor does it feel satisfying.
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Yet here I am pointing out the murder of civilians, and the best excuse some of these idiots have is 'DURR! THEY DID NOT LAY DOWN AND ALLOW THE ALLIANCE TO SLAUGHTER THEM! THEY ARE COMBATANTS! DURR! A TRAINED WARRIOR IS THE SAME AS A CIVILIAN! DURR!
And yes, I have summed up all 26 responses I missed because of work, sorry guys, some people actually work, I know that is hard to believe when you live in your mom’s basement.
But as said:
-Civilians who are forced to fight or die are not combatants. They did not choose to fight, they were forced to.
-I am sure that if Genn and Jaina could have burned a city made of gold and stone, they would have. Kinda hard to do when you have the entirety of the Horde and Zandalari army on your rear end, pushing you out of the city that Gelbin was so proudly boasting ‘NOW BELONGS TO THE ALLIANCE!’
-Not to mention setting off a wild beast into a heavily populated city and not expecting any civilian casualties is also quite stupid.
Quite honestly, no good arguments whatsoever, blaming a civilian for fighting back when the Dark Iron are pinning them in their huts and giving them no other choice.
And yes, I am purposefully ignoring two people because they bring no actual arguments to the thread, which is why I only report them for every insult and every ‘DURR! TROLL! DURR! NPC!’ post they bring.
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