Have you actually done the Horde-side raid? Apparently not. Go do it and then try to argue.
Have you? Doesn’t seem like it…
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What do you think Garithos did, exactly?
No, they went there to free Talanji and Zul and Saurfang.
Beard and Fedora, Legendary Yu-gi-oh combo.
We don’t stand a chance.
No one, save you, seems to think so. Funny how that works.
Serfs were paid for their labor, contrary to popular belief. Surf life was hard, but not nearly as bad as it is made out to be. Verse, slaves were rarely allowed to use a name their masters didn’t give them. Not really the same thing.
Also, are you really trying to justify slavery rather than admit you are wrong? Really?
I am saving this in case you ever decide to run for public office.
We retreated.
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Oooh, you use this character as a point? How cute. You don’t need to go far to hear that particular piece of dialog, you only need LFR first wing, go ahead, do it.
I’m using the fact you seem to be purporting headcanon. Please follow your own advice and go do it right now. Please.
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No no no, don’t you see? His headcannon is the lore… and our lore is the headcannon. Duh.
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You’re lumping all humans into the same category, awfully Garithos of you. Barring that, Garithos was not the only interaction other races had had prior to this, so it’s still not a comparable situation. For all intents and purposes, outside factions had no reason to believe the Zandalari Empire was anything but hostile.
… this is by and far the most damning piece of evidence that you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner says: You are to infiltrate Stormwind and liberate a political prisoner. One who could change the course of the war… in our favor.
Nathanos Blightcaller says: You, Thalyssra, and Rokhan will infiltrate the Stockades and extract the prisoners.
They had no idea Saurfang was in there, had no intention of recovering him before finding him, and probably even thought he was dead. The mission was to rescue Talanji.
That’s hardly conclusive evidence, given that the soldiers don’t seem to include the resources to be contributed by the other members of the Alliance.
Right then, so I didn’t say it. You’d make a very poor nanny anyway. Ignoring the baby because it spews nonsense and lost the sacred right to your attention.
You’re funny.
Awfully pompous of you, given that she hasn’t spouted anymore nonsense than I apparently have in your mind. Yet you continue to address me.
A lower-class workman is someone whose skillset is equipped for menial labor, such as heavy lifting or construction. A slave is someone who is forced to work against their will, and has no freedom. Comparing them is insane.
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No, I am pointing out that you are being awfully Garithos about lumping all Zandalari into the same category.
Point granted, I went back to check. I was wrong on that one.
It shows that Stormwind is barely defended and weaker then it was back in the old days when it was nearly destroyed by one tribe.
sigh Fine, let me hold your hand… here we go…
In context of civilians picking up butcher knives and makeshift weapons to not being killed by invading Dark Iron.
Happy?
I try.
Of course you would think so, because you agree with her, but unlike her, you have actually stated some facts and corrected me on some points.
Serfs aren’t lower-class workman, they may be paid but they have no say in the matter, they live on the land of the Lord and do as he says, no buts ifs or maybes. So basically: A paid slave, considering that serfs are by no means free.
… yooooou know that’s not me, right? You just linked someone else’s comment entirely and claimed it was my argument. Is there something actually wrong with you?
Garithos was not the only instance of Alliance interaction prior to his crimes, and there was plenty of evidence to suggest he was not representative of the Alliance as the whole. At the time of Talanji’s arrest, there was little to say that she was any different than previous hostile interactions with the Zandalari Empire, especially considering she was arrested with the man responsible for such hostilities.
An interpretation. Stormwind now has allies with Ironforge, Gnomeregan, Kaldorei, Exodar, Kul Tiras, and a myriad of Allied Races, all of which bring their own form of advantage. Genn’s comment on a single gathering of soldiers is not evidence that they are weaker than before. The troll tribes, on the other hand, have been constantly put down by both Alliance and Horde. They don’t strike me in any way as a serious threat to Stormwind.
That is the definition of a serf, yes. Luckily, the workmen aren’t serfs - they are peasants, with no indication that they are enslaved or bound to a lord.
No u.
Debatable. Stormwind is arguably stronger than it was back then.
Perhaps the Dark Irons were killing them because they picked up makeshift weapons to fight?
I have as well, you just didn’t want to admit it.
They pretty much are. They, themselves are not bought and sold, but rather they come with the purchase of the land they live on. They were often abused because Fuedalism was not a great system of Governance, but there is no evidence to suggest Stormwind is a Feudal state, merely that it is monarchal.
So wait, are we suppose to be outraged that dazaralor was attacked? There is a lot to be outraged about the battle of dazalor in general.
A great Horde character being killed off when the horde barely has any good characters and being replaced with his daughter who is no where even remotely as interesting.
Alliance rendering everything the horde PC has done in this expansion to be completely and utterly meaningless
Zandalari being gutted completely.
But the city itself being attacked? not really.
“but the zandalari civilians!” Boy-o, since vanilla Horde and Alliance have slaughtered trolls left and right, some for just merely existing.
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Yep, I just realized that, I apologize for the mix-up. I genuinly thought that was you.
Yes, and yet all of the Alliance agreed to have all Blood Elves executed under his command… soooo…
Most of which are busy fighting in other places, considering that you have Arathi which is mainly being switched around between the Lightforged, Dwarves and Humans.
Darkshore which is constantly being fought against with Elves and Worgen.
The void elves, dark iron and others being busy with their suicide mission in Nazmir AND invading Dazar’alor with their forces. (which is over granted) But still not many numbers considering where the void elves come from, the only ones who could realistically aid Stormwind at short notice would be the Dark Iron, but they have lost a good chunk of soldiers in Dazar’alor and Nazmir.
Debatable, but whatever, name a current instance of slavery among the Horde, as in Pre-cata.
I know this and my outrage is more with the dumb writing then actual attack, the point of this thread is that a lot of Alliance people and ‘Honor bois’ are hypocrites. I personally understand the attack on Dazar’alor just as I understood Teldrassil. Either you support both, or you admonish both. Anything else makes you a hypocrite.
Rastakhan had a major target painted on his back from the very beginning. He was never a Horde character, he was a Zandalari character with no intention of joining the Horde. We knew right away that Talanji was going to be the Zandalari Horde leader.
How? The Horde PC stopped the rise of G’huun. That hasn’t changed.
How?
I hate addressing you but: Baine (who is a Alliance character) has basically made our entire war campaign back in 8.0 useless.
Lol, wut?.
Come on! He kills Horde soldiers, steals Derek and returns him to Jaina (who just got done murdering our allies) along with a piece of his horn. He is obviously a Alliance character.
He is a morally conscious Horde character. He is the only hope for the Horde at this point.
The Alliance present followed his order, not all of the Alliance as a whole. To them, perhaps, it would seem that they had simply allied with the naga, there’s nothing to indicate they knew Garithos sent them on a suicide mission. “SoOoO…”
If it were realistic for the troll tribes to attack Stormwind, maybe your point would have weight - debatable, given that the troll tribes are still weakened and being actively fought, and there’s also really nothing that seems to say all the tribes are united - but given the recent attack on Dazar’alor and the more pressing threat of Kul Tiras, it does not.
Spiketooth’s gladiators, Gilnean civilian prisoners being forced to labor, and Stormsong civilian prisoners being either forced to labor OR sewn into an abomination to name a few.
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Yes, he slaughters Horde soldiers and literally makes everything we did pointless, no, he isn’t Baine is a Alliance character and thank god he is imprisoned, I had hoped he would be killed with Zelling, but too bad.
Sooo… you know… what the Zandalari did with Zul, right?
Weakened? Most of the troops were out of Dazar’alor, some of the fleet (those docked) were destroyed, but they still have a fleet and most of their soldiers, they weakened the naval forces, that is about all.
Spiketooth, never heard of him, will look him up. And Prisoners of War are usually forced to work for those that imprison them. And most of the Stormsong people fought, thusly by your definition that makes them combatants.
Yes rastakhan had a major target on his back, does not make him any less of a great character. Also, by your definition most characters that are commonly considered Horde would be not horde but rather neutral. Rexxar for example.
The entire war campaign was rendered moot and meaningless when the alliance stole back the abysal sceptor. The entire storyline for the horde in bfa is trying to recruit the powerful zandalari to our side including their navy. Now, the navy is gone. Worse, unlike the kultirans, zandalari has virtually NO industrial ability. No shipyards, no lumbermills, no mines, no manufacturing. And then, we have the zandalri military that has been gutted by both zuls rebellion and now the alliance. Keep in mind, this is the same military that could not defeat the blood trolls, which the alliance did with a feint force.
This whole expansion for the horde can be summed up with “why do we even bother?”
Still, in regards to the OP itself, im not outraged dazalor was attacked. Im irked that they introduced a great character only to yank him away when we become attached to him. Im irked how the invasion happened. But the invasion itself? was actually pretty cool if a bit disjointed.
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