Where is the Mage Water Elemental Pet?

[Icyheart-khaz-modan]

Times coming, Cata Classic round the corner and I can’t wait.

[Zerida-mannoroth]

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Until you get into BfA where Frost literally falls to the bottom again. The “fix” they did in Legion was undone the moment the got rid of our insane amount of procs. Hell, just look at your precious “point making” BoD as reference. Not only is it there at the bottom of the Mage specs on the whole raid statistics, but you get to watch it gradually drop there as you look through the bosses. Cruciable of Storms? Dead last; maybe beating Fire on first boss. Eternal Palace? Same thing. If you say it’s because “FiRe wAs bOrKeN!!” explain to me how Frost is dead last in Amidrassil, still middle of the pack in Aberrus, and only barely beats out Fire for dead last in Vault.

The thing is that you are incapableof seeing “trends”.
In Legion/BFA/SL/DF Frost is limboing between good/bad. Sometimes it’s good/mid and sometimes it’s super bad, as you said in Eternal Palace.
If you have some critical thinking you would know by this point it’s rather tuning question.

Now before Legion
So TBC/WOTLK/CATA/MOP/WOD -here everytime, every expansion, every raid tier frost is dead last. And the worst mage spec when it comes to raiding, cause frost was incapable of shattering most of it’s spells on bosses.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

So I reiterate, just because it’s at the bottom does not make it PvP spec. MoP was the first expansion to bring Frost into PvE, and make it a viable PvE spec. It’s just unfortunate that Hunters got shafted with two PvP specs.

No, MoP was another failed attempt bringing frost into PvE
Just as WOTLK - Deep Freeze dmg-in bosses
And just as Cata’s making mage WE permanent.

Don’t get me wrong I accept that Blizz tried to make frost viable in PvE in Cata/Mop/Wod, but they failed at it.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Fixed that statement for you. Read above again to see remind yourself why.

You tried, and failed.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

https://classic.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yW2CZzwM8Jcp6m7F#fight=5&type=damage-done&source=11 and here it is in WotLK, nearly doing 10%, without Water Jet.

Thank you for proving my point. Wow 10% damage, so huge… Funnily this became worse by the time went on, while the other pet classes had their pet damage increased.
Everyone can look and see that except you 2.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

In Cataclysm, which we’ll find out soon enough, that damage goes up to 15%, then when MoP rolls around, we’ll see. Again, without taking into consideration how much extra DPS the Mage gets from the extra forced FoF.

Since there were not nerfs/changes to WE in Cata other than making it permanent, and in MoP adding the Water jet, we can safely assume not a lot. lol

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

However, frickin’ finally we get some hard numbers from you people. Took forever for you to finally just say you want pets, regardless of permanence, to do 40%+ for them to be counted. Which would explain why we all agree that BM, Demo, and Unholy are pet specs if damage is a major factor. Seriously hilarious though, check the logs, Unholy pet damage only gets to 32% and Demo’s gets to 15% on WotLK. Not sure if it even gets to that magic number until MoP.

wdym “finally” I already wrote this number 30 posts back. You just ignored it, like you do with everything else.

Another thing that you just cannot comprehend that “what a pet class” could mean different back in TBC/WOTLK and NOW in retail. Also one need to look at how certain pet specs EVOLVED into modern wow. Like you think that the criteria I gave has to be present back in Classic AND now in retail. That’s not how this works.

Blizz’s idea is obvious: NOW Pet damage has to be high:
Like Legion, look at WL:

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And frost:

Like the differences is so obvious.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

• Class’ main source of damage(assuming you mean the 40%+)- None of the classes did this pre-Cata. Then only BM, Demo, and UDK since.
• Has multiple pets for different situations(unless you’re meaning 3+)- Frost; MI(logs count as pet damage) for threat(and damage in DF) reduction and WE for cc and proc forcing. Demo’s range from blueberry to Felguard, and Unholy’s Army, Ghould, and Gargoyle; even though they only server for damage. Hunters had tank, damage, damagy-cc, wasn’t until Cata they served as buff replacements, then that was promptly removed in Legion I think.
• Player talents interact with or pet has talents of their own- First, demon and ghoul has no talent tree themself so they’re out on that regard. However, they are saved with Demo and Unholy having at least two talents that interact with pet. And so did Frost, whether you want to count pre-cosmetic Glyph or not, WotLK’s Eternal Water, Enduring Winter talent increasing duration, and Cata’s Permafrost damage heals Elemental and Impoved Freeze giving Freeze FoF procs. And not to forget Lonely Winter in Legion.
• Your rotation enhancing Pet- Only BM and Survival do this. Unless you count CD’s in which UDK is only untalented enhancement for rotational pet enhancements.
• (Going to add this as it should have been one)Player stats enhancing Pet- Frost, Demo, BM, Surv, UDK’s Mastery.

Now you are obviously grasping at straws to try to make a point, which just shows how lost your case is.
When I gave you these points I did not meant ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them has to be active at once, but generally speaking like most of it. As I said in by previous points, what a pet class means kinda changes from expansion to expansion.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Class’ main source of damage(assuming you mean the 40%+)- None of the classes did this pre-Cata. Then only BM, Demo, and UDK since.

I obviously mean retail., here. Back then I would have argue around 15% which would frost check, barely though if I’m generous, but it fails miserably on other points that existed for other pet classes, which I will demonstrate.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Has multiple pets for different situations(unless you’re meaning 3+)- Frost; MI(logs count as pet damage) for threat(and damage in DF) reduction and WE for cc and proc forcing. Demo’s range from blueberry to Felguard, and Unholy’s Army, Ghould, and Gargoyle; even though they only server for damage. Hunters had tank, damage, damagy-cc, wasn’t until Cata they served as buff replacements, then that was promptly removed in Legion I think.

I would definitely say that back in WOTLK UHDK-s were not a pet class, but they were made into one as blizz. Just as Surv hunters were made into a melee class, while they were a ranged class before Legion.

Okay, frost mage has WE, MI is a mage tool, not specifically frost.
How does that compare to: Hunter pets where every single pet was different depending on the type of pet? Hunters had PvP pet, PvE pet, and as you said Tanking pet, they had pets that can kinda off heal, also in Cata they had BM hunter specific spirit beast pets.

Similarly Demo warlicksm, imps, felguards, felhunter, succubus, voidwalker. They had Class quests regarding its pets. All of them were useful in different situations.

Frost doesn’t have this, never had. So no this point did not meet ever.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Player talents interact with or pet has talents of their own- First, demon and ghoul has no talent tree themself so they’re out on that regard. However, they are saved with Demo and Unholy having at least two talents that interact with pet. And so did Frost, whether you want to count pre-cosmetic Glyph or not, WotLK’s Eternal Water, Enduring Winter talent increasing duration, and Cata’s Permafrost damage heals Elemental and Impoved Freeze giving Freeze FoF procs. And not to forget Lonely Winter in Legion.

So this is once again easy.
I already said UHDK back then I would say not a pet class either, but hohohooooo Hunters and warlocks?

For example:
You can look at WOTLK:

Demonology Warlock DPS Talent Builds and Glyphs - Wrath of the Lich King Classic

Demonology tree. Every single row has a talent that’s custom tailored one of it’s pet.
You are like “ohhh this one pet among the dozen pets X class has doesn’t interact with talent, so that’s not a pet anymore, so it doesn’t count”
Like wtf…? Frost doesn’t have this

I think for hunters, especially BM hunters I don’t have to go into, I hope. Back then pet themselves had talents, and similarly BM hunters talent tree affected the pet.

Now let’ head back to DK, as I said DK was not really a pet class back then:
Sure it had pets, but it was just some extra thing that the class brought not it’s main thing. Kinda like Frost mage.

Unholy Death Knight DPS Talent Builds and Glyphs - Wrath of the Lich King...

And now look in DF where it evolved

Unholy Death Knight Dragonflight Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft

The whole right side is now affects pets. the whole think is about summoning PETS and increasing their damage.

Frost didn’t get this. All we had is just to summon it and that’s it. If frost had a talent tree wing about like making the WE do different things I would concede, but it didn’t. Never did. The one thing that “oh our frost spells healed the pet” is laughable compared to the deep pet talent and other systems that pet classes had.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Your rotation enhancing Pet- Only BM and Survival do this. Unless you count CD’s in which UDK is only untalented enhancement for rotational pet enhancements.

Back then yes, now in retail evolved into BM/Demo/and UHDK. For frost it wasn’t back then and it’s definitely did not in retail either.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

(Going to add this as it should have been one)Player stats enhancing Pet- Frost, Demo, BM, Surv, UDK’s Mastery.

One point that frost makes, yay for you. Does making 1 point on the list makes a class a pet class? Haha no.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

And this is all while ignoring Pet interaction with your rotation as being a criteria, which is a shame as I though players wanted diversity in their classes and not just every pet spec to buff pet and not the other. shrug

Surem but WE did not do this. Having 1 random Waterjet doesn’t count.
In this 6 minute fight 12 Water jet:

Like cmon, you can’t be serious.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Still, goes to show through WoW’s history, expansion after expansion Frost was becoming more and more a Pet spec. Until Legion

Already showed you this is false. I showed you how certain pet classes evolved into retail. Frost did not do this.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

When you’re procing BF and FoF almost every other Frostbolt, water jet gets clunky, and with haste piling on allowing ludicrous durations of IV, double lancing and a Dollar Store Ignite only benefiting off your filler damage while simultaneously having fight designs making long casts unfavorable, we see why LW pulled ahead so much. Then BfA sought to fix that by taking away all our abilities to force procs as baseline; Water Jet, Ebonbolt talented, every single Azerite piece only buffing damage of one spell. In thise case Icicles making Glacial Spike ludcrously powerful. With a trend that just spelled the end with more and more talents and systems making Ice Lance, and in turn LW and TV the go-to choices. And, instead of following the footsteps of eld, the devs said screw it. Fixed the Elemental, and removed it’s permanence because “majority of players playedit that way.”.

No, waterjet was always clunky, frost just did not have any other options for procs, that’s why the Set was made, and this goes back to my point… Blizz could have tweaked waterjet, or added more abilities to the WE, but they chose to. I wonder why? Oh I know, cause frost was not a pet class.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Which is also odd they chose to do that now if Frost was never a Pet spec and “the majority” have been using, and wanting to use, LW since Legion. All those posts each expansion trying to get the Elemental up to snuff comparitively before each launch must have been a figment of everyone’s imagination or just the vocal minority not wanting to have to suffer a playstyle they didn’t like for yet another expansion.

This is absolutely a conjecture by your part.

Like dude look it at like this:

Frost mage had WE since TBC, right?
TBC, WOTLK, from CATA it’s a permanent, MOP, WOD. So 5 expansions. So 5 expansion where we were forced to use WE.
Legion introduced LW, and after 1 tier all the frost mages switched away from it.
Funnily, the moment an option is given to mage players, WE or you want to take control of your class, and you, yourself doing damage, they all went to the latter one.

@Icyheart-khaz-modan

Now, if you were smart, you would have looked at statistics instead of just the fact there’s logs, P6 Frost parses: 80k, Fire parses: 30K. Check other phases, one had 1.6k fire to 5.6k frost, and others don’t even have fire parses. If you’re going to try to “own” with such. Try better I pointed out nearly equal parse count, never said anything about “viability”.

Something being "viable’ is what makes certain class a PvP or PvE spec for that certain expansion.
For frost that’s not the case for until legion.

WOD:

Damage Statistics - Mythic Hellfire Citadel | Warcraft Logs

Damage Statistics - Mythic Blackrock Foundry | Warcraft Logs

Damage Statistics - Mythic Highmaul | Warcraft Logs

And I already showed you MOP, where it’s last every single expansion.

Parse numbers don’t mean anything.

[Snozo-area-52]

@Nelluced-proudmoore

All of these people are self-defeating in some way. You have nothing to prove to them.

Yet you both are full ostrich mode with no credibility.

@Nelluced-proudmoore

The guy who blames his bad parses on a bad connection would benefit from frost becoming a full on pet spec

My connection isn’t bad. I said impose fps when in a group with 30 people as does the guy in my guild with a $6000 rig.

And no having to micro manage a pet is not
A benefit. So even if frost was a pet spec ( it’s not) this makes zero sense.

@Nelluced-proudmoore

I will say though if he’s struggling in his real life

Rofl talk about making assumptions and being 100% wrong.

[Snozo-area-52]

You guys should honestly give up now. Zerida has literally give you all the information and has you 100%.

It’s just embarrassing at this point.

[Icyheart-khaz-modan]

Honestly, I’m glad you can see archived posts. Does help my points.

@Zerida-mannoroth

The thing is that you are incapableof seeing “trends”.
In Legion/BFA/SL/DF Frost is limboing between good/bad. Sometimes it’s good/mid and sometimes it’s super bad, as you said in Eternal Palace.
If you have some critical thinking you would know by this point it’s rather tuning question.

Out of 24:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/10 17th place of dps specs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/12 20th of dps specs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/11 4th, hope this lasts.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/13 12th… damn, going down.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/17 Back to 19th place… hmm.
I mean, sure… it’s ranked higher than another mage spec a couple times, but let’s move on to BfA
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/21 21st place of pds specs.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/22 24th place, dead last.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/23 24th place again, wtf Blizzard?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/24 16th place, whew, was scared the trend was going to continue. Anyway, let’s move onto DF since Shadowlands statistics don’t show.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/31#region=1 Cherry picked patch that landed them 16th place, following they go 23rd in 10.0.7 to 24th in 10.1.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/33#region=4 Good we’re 4th from the top again! Let’s see if this continues…
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/35 Darn, right back down to 24th place currently… weird, though to give Amirdrassil the benefit of the doubt, it’s still going on and even the best caster is near the middle. I don’t know about you, but being above the bottom 25th percentile only 25% of the time during and after the expansion that “viablized” Frost doesn’t scream middling to me. I mean sure, they weren’t the bottom Mage spec that whole time, but still…

Either way, Frost was above middle like twice; something must be up. Need to investigate. Hmm, looking through the sets it seems Frost was at its strongest when the tier set bonus’ gave flat proc chance increase. Noteably, Nighthold with Everburning Knowlege sets Frostbolt and FO’s +5% and Underlights IL frozen target 10%. Funny that.

Which begs a question why Blizzard is refusing to actually fix what’s wrong with frost, as you said, needing bosses to be frozen. Instead of leaning into Shatter via Combustion stat mechanics, they made it impossible to reach cap without changing any other frozen target interaction whether that be more damage or better proc chance. All, while keeping Frost’s RNG the same from pre-patch to pre-patch.

@Zerida-mannoroth

Thank you for proving my point. Wow 10% damage, so huge… Funnily this became worse by the time went on, while the other pet classes had their pet damage increased.
Everyone can look and see that except you 2.

First, nice edit removing the Imgur. Second, it was a counterpoint to show that the pet has done more than 5% of the damage. However, if you’ld be so kind and show a Cata through WoD parse, even a legion parse that would be helpful. However, I did a pixel measurement of the Mage bar in the parse you posted. The whole bar was ~500 pixels, and the pet portion is ~50; that’s 10% son. Now, I’m not sitting here pulling a flex tape ad with those numbers. I’m just stating, that 5% you posted and promptly removed, was a rare occurrence. Showing that throughout history, the Elemental was doing more damage than you are trying to say it was. And that it’s only in the recent couple expansions has it been dropping since Frost has more about how much Ice Lance damage and Thermal Void duration can you pump out. Much like your complaint about why they used the Ele in BFA is same reason they used LW post Nighthold. When everything is buffing IL and causing you to cast more IL, of course you’re going to pick the option that buffs IL.

@Zerida-mannoroth

In this 6 minute fight 12 Water jet:

Time for some napkin math, while I prefer pen, those crayons you provided will do. Starters, each Water Jet provides minimum 2 FoFs; calculating on this number. With 12 Water Jet casts(funnily matching up given the fight is 6 minutes and it’s cd is 30s), the player got 24 FoF’s granting 24 IL casts. Given the player cast 135 of them total, we are to assume of them, 111 were pure proc while the rest were Water Jet. Mathing out to 58.46m damage of pure player and 12.64m pet provided damage. Now, if we use the formulae of 100(12.64m/71.11m), we end up seeing 17% of the Ice Lance damage is provided via pet. Next, we multiply the 209.9k by 17% and we find 35.5k of that dps is the pet provided dps. Guess what the next step is. We now use the percentage formula again of 100(35.5k/542.16k) and we come up with 6.05% of that total comes from Water Jet provided FoF IL’s. Adding that to the baseline pet’s 9.75% from pure damage and the pet is providing through both pure damage and forced procs: 15.8% of your dps. How much it’ll provide in Cata wont be known until Classic. Now, sure that’s not the “required” 40%, but that is still more than what you say it did.

I’m sure you’re going to say “we don’t count that” because it’s not damage from the pet and it’s damage from the player. But, without the Water Jet, at best they probably would have gotten maybe 115 Ice Lances, losing about >30k dps from player rng and having to cast more Frostbolts.

@Zerida-mannoroth

When I gave you these points I did not meant ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of them has to be active at once

Never said this, hence why I pointed out the time Frost didn’t meet the criteria.

@Zerida-mannoroth

I obviously mean retail., here. Back then I would have argue around 15% which would frost check, barely though if I’m generous, but it fails miserably on other points that existed for other pet classes, which I will demonstrate.

I know you meant retail, but at least we agree that the parameters changed, and that by previous 15% Frost would have easily qualified through math above.

@Zerida-mannoroth

Frost doesn’t have this, never had. So no this point did not meet ever.

Mi may be a Mage tool, but it’s counted as pet damage on WL, and as you’ve stated, we’re looking at pet damage however temporary. Though I never denied Hunter and Demo pet count. Just partly that Hunter pets can more easily be condensed into categories since Legion and beyond removed their talent trees and made them either tank, pvp, or pve. Spirit beasts and family abilities are more tools anyway. Still, can’t deny the WE was multifunctional as a pet.

@Zerida-mannoroth

So this is once again easy.
I already said UHDK back then I would say not a pet class either, but hohohooooo Hunters and warlocks?

Not sure why you felt the need to post all that when it just says what I did. Demo was saved via their talents back then, hunter pets had their own talents etc, etc.

@Zerida-mannoroth

Back then yes, now in retail evolved into BM/Demo/and UHDK. For frost it wasn’t back then and it’s definitely did not in retail either.

Please tell me which spells in the DK rotation other than Dark Transformation enhances your ghoul? Or are those enchancements provided through talents when they cast abilities? Same with Demo locks. Which spells, summoning spells not included, enhance their demons besides talented cooldown? Again, said Frost didn’t meet this criteria.

@Zerida-mannoroth

“ohhh this one pet among the dozen pets X class has doesn’t interact with talent, so that’s not a pet anymore, so it doesn’t count”

Well, way to put words in someone’s mouth. Never once was that uttered by me. I’ve said the fact it has a talent that effects a pet counts. Nice try.

@Zerida-mannoroth

One point that frost makes, yay for you. Does making 1 point on the list makes a class a pet class? Haha no.

@Zerida-mannoroth

Already showed you this is false. I showed you how certain pet classes evolved into retail. Frost did not do this.

This is one of 3 of the 5 Frost met up until BfA. Legion to Shadowlands was an odd time. They really wanted to make Frost a lame man’s Fire.

@Zerida-mannoroth

Frost mage had WE since TBC, right?
TBC, WOTLK, from CATA it’s a permanent, MOP, WOD. So 5 expansions. So 5 expansion where we were forced to use WE.

TBC was CD, WotLK was CD or glyphed permanent(I’ll prove something with this soon), then Cata, MoP, WoD it was “forced”.

@Zerida-mannoroth

Legion introduced LW, and after 1 tier all the frost mages switched away from it.
Funnily, the moment an option is given to mage players, WE or you want to take control of your class, and you, yourself doing damage, they all went to the latter one.

Yeah, Legion introduced LW. However let me show you something:

Damage Rankings - 25 Player Heroic Icecrown Citadel | Warcraft Logs Classic

Here are the WotLK Classic parses for Heroic 25M ICC. Right now players have the option of using the Elemental as a CD or a permanent pet. Yet, nearly every single one of them are using the permanent pet. Oh, right, they’re being “forced” to use it since it’s better dps huh? Weird how that’s been the complaint for LW too. Anyway, on to Legion where as you say after 1-tier they switched. Again, it’s still odd that it took till the second tier to happen if no-one wanted the pet in the first place. And much like happened in retail, everyone switched the moment LW started pulling ahead, both in encounter design and throwing a crap ton of damage onto Ice Lance and keeping TV up at all times.

@Zerida-mannoroth

Something being "viable’ is what makes certain class a PvP or PvE spec for that certain expansion.

What do you call viable? Whether or not it’s in the top 2/3s of all specs?

@Zerida-mannoroth

Parse numbers don’t mean anything.

They do though. They show how many people were parsing that spec during that tier. MoP sadly was the first and last time there was equal representation of mage specs. Since then, most of the time the Mage playerbase went either Fire or Arcane, whichever is the best at the time. Further cementing the proof they would rather play that which is FoTM.

To even further show this point. I’ll start in Legion:
Emerald Nightmare(Fire Top Damage): 82k parses with Fire, 11k Frost, 7k Arcane.
Trial of Valor(Fire still on top): 8k Fire, 800 Frost, 400 Arcane.
Nighthold(When Frost shot to 4th): 65K Frost, 23k Fire, 8k Arcane.
Tomb(Fire blows ahead): 36k Frost, 26k Fire, 5k Arcane.
Antorus(Fire still superior): 13k Frost, 10k Fire, 2k Arcane.
What pattern do we see. Fire increases in parses when it’s the top spec, and Frost dwindles. Has nothing to do with LW, it’s just numbers chasers. Or, people were getting tired of the LW playstyle they were forced into.
On to BfA, the expansion that forced you to play with Water Elemental:
BoD(Note that Frost is dead last, though tying with Fire): 36k Frost, 4k Arcane, 4k Fire.
Palace(Fire is now significantly on top): 25k Fire, 7k Frost, 2k Arcane.
Ny’alotha(Fire is now the top): 15k Fire, 3k Frost, 500 Arcane.

BoD(Note that Frost is dead last, though tying with Fire): 36k Frost, 4k Arcane, 4k Fire.

This one right here is notable. In an expansion that forced you to use the Elemental over LW had the highest representation of Frost mages ever seen through all of these rankings. Even though they were near dead last in both all specs and last in Mage specs. Another oddity since as you keep saying: “Noone wanted to play with the Elemental”. Only when Fire started to significantly take off did they all switch, and once again, Frost and Arcane parse numbers dwindled.

[Zarella-winterhoof (Zarella)]

I do miss having the water elemental as a pet to put things to perspective. The water elemental was first a companion that only 3 min and you could get a glyph to make it a permanent pet. It is when they got rid of glyphs is when you could get the water elemental as permanent pet. Rather or not on how people look at it. I don’t mind if it was just a 3 min companion i just don’t like it if it just pops up just to say boo and goes away. I do have a mage character that I have played for years.

[Bombmagic-alexstrasza (Bombmagic)]

Dear Blizzard. The game is not the same without my dearest pet. Please please please bring Bubbles back.

[Drakvay-cenarion-circle]

I too miss the pet. retail has far too many mechanics that it is nice to still be dishing out at least some dps ticks while moving from the fire or that breath or that…ouch.

[Tuckletuts-caelestrasz (Tuckletuts)]

Unless you are literally moving for 10-15% of your time while also having no instant-casts or procs available, then you’re going to do more damage by utilising things such as Ice Floes, Blink/Shimmer, AT, IB, Shield etc. There’s not a single fight that has that level of movement.

[Smaragdt-area-52]

Finally i can write here too. Thanks for your awesome comics and the creativity! I rly wish that Blizzard would be so creative with the mage and all other classes too!

I still hope that we can get a perma pet again and maybe some more talents (hero talents?) for it. It would give us finally a 2. rly NEW playstyle and not only another boring (glacial ) range caster.