Where is the horde (spoilers)

Metzen gets a lot of leeway because he’s directly credited with writing the Horde a lot of players fell in love with. Everything the Horde was when WoW started could be directly attributed to him.

Also, according to him the last thing he was involved with in the story before he left was the BfA cinematic of the Alliance besieging Undercity. Say what you will about him being a MHP at heart, BfA and Shadowlands was what we got once his involvement was over.

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I doubt he would changed much if he had power. Afrasiabi isn’t strong enough to decide alone what happened to Sylvanas.

People seem to forget fast that he was also responsible for some of the worse lore decisions.

He’s by no means perfect, but at least with him there was a Horde story with high points. As opposed to what we’ve had now which is at best cameo appearances once in a blue moon.

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He killed Kael’thas twice in the same expansion and made the blood elves dependant on Velen to solve their problems.

He gave the full attention of the Arthas story in wotlk to Tirion and ignored the Forsaken and blood elves who had the biggest grudges.

He villain batted Garrosh and forced the players to raid their own city.

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If we’re directly attributing everything bad that happened in the story lorewise to Metzen, then conversely we could attribute everything good that happened as well, which is exactly my point. There were low points, but there were high points too.

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The bad outweighs the good I am afraid.

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Yeah? Well, you know, that’s just like, your opinion, man.

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Metzen laid out the world controlled by the alliance with the Horde being an afterthought. That is his legacy and the story suffers from that until present day.

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Suramar felt, to me, relatively balanced. The only streamers who were convinced it was alliance-only were annoying highborne rpers vibrating at the thought of getting their own version of Silvermoon just for themselves.

Of all the complaints about how things should have more horde presence in Legion, Suramar ranks near the bottom.

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If Metzen is MHP, than he can at least write non MHP characters who don’t also follow that stereotype as NOT being the scum of the earth. Unlike later writers.

And I’ve LONG felt that Nightborne should have been neutral like Pandas and dragons, and the Alliance should’ve gotten Broken draenei from Argus to match the highmountain tauren the Horde got.

It is the norm, but it’s not new. For a while now the Horde has only mattered when they are villains and foes for the Alliance.

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Not going to say you aren’t right. But is Metzen to blame?

IDK how much creative power he had but the world started with a huge inbalance against the Horde and we feel it even today.

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And you got Lightforged to match the level of effort that went into them

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Fixed that :wink:

Ogre mage maybe but If anything becomes my new main it would be a sethraliss priest.

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They are cool, I could see them jiving very well with the Darkspear Trolls.

Dang, it’s almost like those Windrunner sisters are all basically the same character with a few minor variations.

Blows my mind people find that generic slop interesting.

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fwiw, generously to bliz, I think the pre-Midnight story forefront characters are going to be in 11.2 and not before.

That said, to anyone who hasn’t done belf heritage and is hoping to move away from yet another high elven archer as a headliner: I have bad news!