I seriously can not wait for the goblin patch though. Need to level of my goblin shaman for the patch.
It is the Arwen trope. If the ship sails the fans are happy.
Can’t decide rogue or mage.
Don’t get your hopes up, chance are it would be few quest chain kind of like Baine in dragon flight and not entire patch with NE in dragon flight.
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If you didn’t hate Baine before his racism against those centaurs surley did it.
You are probably right, but the thing with Goblins, it is the time that the dev and writers can let their hair down and go full on fun and wacky mode. That is why I love Goblins so much, they are just 1920’s capitalist Americans dialed up to 11 with magic. That is so fun.
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Don’t get your hopes up. Gazlowe soon will force change them to be normal people.
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With the latest questline unlocked, this was really apparent. I feel like Thrall was just shoved in there for a few seconds for Blizzard to be like, “don’t worry Horde, we remember you”. This expansion seems extremely alliance heavy, which is fine I mean Horde have had similar expansions like this (WoD), but it was just very noticeable during this questline. I’m hoping that in this expansion or the next we get a little more involvement in the story.
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The Alliance was still included and had their entire own intro with Shadowmoon Valley, Yrel and the rest of Draenei culture. The Horde in TWW was 100% excluded.
I pass thanks. Whenever they touch older Horde stuff they rewrite the races to act like normal people instead of the way they were before all the time. I rather have Goblins not matter next patch instead of Comrade Monte declare revolutions so his people can be productive for the sake of Azeroth instead of profit.
It is quite the miracle the majority of the Horde community didn’t cancel their subs yet. Must be Stockholm syndrome. The still hope things might turn out better.
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In the most horde focused expansions they were usually given a savage beating with the villain bat and the Alliance still had a primarily alliance-leaning campaign.
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Yea, Im not saying that Alliance were excluded as much as Horde in this expansion, I would much rather what happened in WoD happen in this expansion, where we have similar interaction with the story.
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they don’t do faction related stories anymore they are keen to show we all have the same heroes and quest givers now.
Yeah. Expansions are going to weigh one way or another depending on the story they want to tell, I think they just utterly messed up here. Cata is really the only expansion where the Horde got to be the core focus in a protagonistic role, and even then, nelves/the Alliance got Hyjal on the launch campaign and Firelands in an update.
It would be less irritating if the Horde wasn’t in a focus drought before TWW.
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This is a joke, Hm?
Ah Yes, nothing says “protagonistic role” like literally nuking entire towns with chemical weapons and planting human survivors into the ground like seeds.
being the villain is not focus. they get defeated in the raids and then the heroes are hailed which is usually the alliance.
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They did the same to the humans what Stormwind did to the Gnolls and Kobolds. Clearing your backyard is not evil. Securing the borders is what every nation does to keep it safe. You are just mad Sylvanas was actually able to score wins against the alliance and Varian.
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No… no burying people alive is sort of evil. The Forsaken were in one of their Scourge 2.0 “Death to the Living!” relapses about that time.
Agreed, which is why the High Elves did nothing wrong. 
So, what you’re saying is that nations like Stromgarde, Gilneas, Silvermoon and others aren’t actually evil for securing their own boarders
Good to know. Can put that debate to bed
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I think you’re missing his point.
The Horde hasn’t been the protagonist face of an xpac since Cata with Thrall doing Green Jesus stuff. There was flash of it in WoD with the Garrosh finale, but that was caused by the antagonistic Horde story in the first place.
What you’re pointing at are examples of when we get story focus but are antagonistic. It’s fine to have those moments on both sides (Burning Vulpera caravans) but there still needs to be heroic elements to our story.
We’re asking for more moments of a Horde characters being a protagonist in the story, leading the charge against the threat. Whenever a good chance comes, it gets swept aside for more Alliance.
Vol’jin, Baine, Thrall, Lilian, and Lorthe’mar all has a chance in Shadowlands, but that was a bust in favor of Anduin’s whole DK thing and the Night Warrior story. Notice when that big robot shows up in the Earthen story it’s ONLY Jaina who goes to hold it back. That kind of stuff is the problem.
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