Where is the horde (spoilers)

I did, I always get the bronzebeard brothers mixed up :blush:

the only reason I don’t is cause I have the dumbest memory of a titan computer calling the non combatant “Brann Bronzen” and i don’t understand why that specifically has stuck with me since WotLK.

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Honestly Nightborne joining Horde retroactively doesn’t even magically turn Legion to 50/50 Alliance/Horde expansion. Playing Suramar during the time was closer to Alliance content. Everyone from stramers to players thought of it as Alliance. Hence when Nborne joined the Horde it shocked everyone and why the Alliance felt back stabbed badly.

The only Horde content there would been during the time was Highmountain which even cut Baine content, though Val’sharah kept Tyrande content. This was done for … reasons?

Make matters worse all of Argus was pretty much Alliance content hence Alliance getting all the spoils including a space ship that had to get cut from BfA or else there wouldn’t been even a faction war and the Alliance just wiping the Horde off the face of Azeroth. … really that might have turned out better, Alliance snapping and taking the gloves off and the Horde scurrying and survivng.

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I really think it’s interesting that if something just has the ‘vibes’ of Alliance content, it is.

I really think it’s interesting that if an alliance racial leader is announced temporarily neutral, nothing they do during that temporary neutrality counts as Alliance content.

I really think it’s interesting that the same thinking is not applied to Cataclysm Thrall.

Edit: lol, Thrall even left the Horde when he did it.
No Alliance leader has left the Alliance.
:dracthyr_hehe_animated:

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I remember Alliance players complaining about getting “backstabbed” and wondering how they all missed Tyrande talking smack and Liadrin cozying up with them. And sure, genetically they’re closer to night elves but culturally they’re way closer to blood elves so I’m not sure why people assumed anything. I guess there was the one night elf NPC that helped them grow the arcan’dor.

Legion is still Alliance-heavy even crediting 2 zones to the Horde.

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Not just hasnt left… during questing in hallowfall Anduin mentions that he is the king of stormwind… not used to be king. Is currently king. “Not alliance content” they say. :expressionless:

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He actually quickly corrects himself within the same statement though :dracthyr_heart:

If we wanna get technical about it that is

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Yeah the Night Elf helping make the Arcan’dor was giving it Alliance leaning ideas. Also attested to the back stab feeling, it also brought up the Alliance helping the Sunwell and restoring it with M’uru.

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While side eyeing the horde toon anduin is questing with im sure. “Im the king of storm… im neutral… obviously buddy ol pal. Why dont you buy us another round” :smile: my orc and zandalari looked right awkward sitting at an inn table with Anduin, Alleria, and an Arathi human paladin. Just another day at the inn.

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It reads like he doesn’t want others that don’t know who he is, to know he is king.

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If it’s any comfort, it’s just as awkward when doing these on my Man’ari hunter and the game treats my hunter like a hero. :dracthyr_hehe_animated:

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The Horde (Orcs, Trolls and Ogres (oops, still no Ogres)) are SUPPOSED to be outcasts. Truly believed by the Alliance to still be Fel-infected monsters and sympathetic to the big bad Burning Legion and their atrocities. Forsaken got lumped in because they are also outcast abominations of former Lordaeron. Tauren lumped in because of their shared cultural/spiritual practices with Thrall’s Horde.

It makes sense that the Horde are outcasts in this grand cosmic story, which is why I dislike that it is being explored again. World of StarCraft should be its own MMORPG. Some things should be left a mystery, detailed only in scrolls and books, leaving the rest to the players imagination.

It used to take the power of a Titan possessing a powerful Guardian of Tirisfal and the head of the Shadow Council to tear open a rift to another planet.

That group of nelves were literally outcasts from the Nelf kingdom proper, they weren’t Alliance.

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None of the Kaldorei of the broken isles are Alliance. You certainly didn’t see the Dreamgrove reaching out to offer space or resources for the refugees of Teldrassil and Darkshore.

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To be fair, the entirety of Suramar going Horde was a surprise, even after the Argus patch wrote “Horde nightborne” on the wall. At most I figured Thalyssra would okay Silgryn to lead some guys there, with the greater faction remaining neutral. Shifting the entire nation Horde off the heels of their liberation, in time for a faction war no less, was a bold move.

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The night elf presence on the isles are so weird, we have the main vault of the wardens on the island, the wardens are also certainly part of the regular kaldorei nation as the order was only founded after the sundering and Maiev is the leader, they even have abandoned warden towers all throughout the isles.
And then there’s the issue of Val’sharah, supposedly isolated and forgotten by the rest of the world, yet we have the sisterhood working a temple there that protects the tear of Elune, not to mention night elven druids are rife throughout the zone and it’s described as an important place for druids. The main issue is that once again the night elven druids only really arose as an order after the training of Malfurion post wota.
So did a bunch of post sundering night elves just peace out from regular kaldorei society? Clearly not all of them since the wardens are active on the isles since who knows how long. There’s also many druidic branches that’s present in Val’sharah like the druids of the claw that aided the night elves of kalimdor during wc3, or the druids of the branch that aided them in bfa, of the talon that’s been present in several expansions etc.

Not to mention that the founder of the unseen path that had it’s headquarters in Highmountain and many of her students were wiped out in the war of the shifting sands, so that’s another point of connection.
Out of the 4 night elf groups that live/d on the broken isles it seems that 3 had contact and aided the regular night elf nation. With the exception being the elves in Suramar including the moonguard.

So I’d say that the elves of Val’sharah and most of the isle elves are in fact part of the kaldorei nation even if a more isolated part of it. As how can you otherwise explain all the orders that’s been consistently shown be part of and aid the kaldorei nation to be living there.

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The weird part that i didn’t exactly understand is the Moon Guard close to suramar, since the practice of arcane magic was banned during the long vigil, I wonder how those kept existing for 10k years while syill being night elves and not doing anything like the shen’dralar did.

Maybe they just cold turkey’d it for a few thousand years, Just tried really hard until they stopped dying from it

Who knows, I’d like to know myself, but there are several possible solutions even if it’s all speculation, using some of the leyline tech laying around the zone to tap magical energy, just siphoning from magical artifacts, or they ate from an ancient arcan’dor tree that’s no longer around that had the survivors exempt from the withdrawal.
Honestly can be anything.