When will this Cross Faction nightmare end?

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I guess my question boils down to ‘why does Blizzard hate the Horde?’. And yes… the title, and that question do go hand in hand. Allow me to elaborate.

Throughout the last 2 expansions pre-Dragonflight we have seen the Horde be progressively neutered. Sylvanas burns down the Alliance’s stupid tree, and ever since it has been a hate fest on the Horde. First they dismantle our Warchief. Then they have us spend an entire expansion following the orders of Jaina Proudmore. Now they are having us play more and more with the alliance.

This game is world of WARcraft, not world of PEACEcraft. The stories need to stop being about Kumbaya and making nice, and go back to the Horde decimating the Alliance. I’m sure it’s hard as the majority of players play Horde so the Alliance needs help, but when the majority of us play Horde why is the Horde being neutered and not the Alliance?

This game needs to seriously get back to its roots and stop this Cross Faction Nightmare in which the Horde is really just the Alliance now. If not, I think I’m gonna have to just call it a day and join the millions of players that have already given up on this game.

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A new continent is coming and the council will explore it together and even have towns together

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If you don’t like the destination I’d suggest getting off the train now.
The future of WoW is all classes on all races, cross faction on all content, accessibility being the front and center of WoWs core principles.

Also I wouldn’t say the Alliance haven’t been “neutered”.
Anduin decided to join Sylvanas for no real reason.
Tyrandes big Elune power spike was just so she could forgive.
Malfurion out of the blue has to remain in the Shadowlands.
Gnome guy dead.

The best hope Alliance actually has now for a good story is I believe related to the Dwarfs possibly getting a King to unite them. Some heir to the throne coming of age or something is due to happen soon in the story.

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They don’t.

You mean like in Warcraft III where the Night Elves, Orcs, and Humans teamed up to defeat Archimonde?

Mekkatorque is alive… That was the whole thing with the Mechagnome Allied Race unlock questline.

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we need more warCRAFT. we need to build stuff. Minecraft expansion incoming!

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Sylvanas burning down the tree was nothing to do with the horde. She was corrupted by some rando human prince with a genocide fetish. The alliance played themselves.

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But how can I play STARcraft if none of the missions actually take place on the surface of a star?

:thinking:

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Low level character, post count of 1, parroting tired old, ‘WARcraft not PEACEcraft,’ line… Yup. This is a troll.

You’re a day early. Sunday is still about 23 hours and 40 minutes away.

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The rumor is that Afrasiabi saw the writing on the wall, knew he was on his way out, and in retaliation/spite, did everything he could to ruin Sylvy because he knew the fanbase liked her, and because she was one of the few strong female characters left in the game-- And he hated those kinds of women to begin with.

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Agree with OP. The game needs to separate the factions and go back to the old “cold war” roots of vanilla and the first 2 expansions.

(Note that doesn’t mean a “faction war”. “Faction wars” are stupid and always were, because there’s no way to resolve them that will satisfy both halves of the playerbase.)

I don’t want a return to faction strife because I want to fight the Alliance; I want a return to faction strife because I want nothing to do with the Alliance.

I WANT HORDE STORIES AGAIN.

And as long as the game is centered entirely around an Alliance narrative (as it has been since Legion), that will never happen. Given their druthers, the current Blizzard staff will always write Alliance stories about Alliance characters.

The last good Horde story was in Wrath. That was a long time ago.

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If you managed to stomach the entirety of the Shadowlands expansion, and the God awful Sylvannas redemption arc that absolutely nobody wanted.… but still think faction based story telling is a good choice for the future…

I have some volcano insurance to sell you.

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Beginning my journey in Orgrimmar, I was but a humble Priest. Slowly building my renown by helping the denizens of Kalimdor, I grew stronger and more wise with each passing day.

With my allies, I put an end to Hakkar and the Gurubashi threat, defeated the Elemental Lord Ragnaros, thwarted Nefarian’s schemes, and stopped the silithid threat in Ahn’Qiraj, defeating the Old God, C’thun.

As a part of the expedition to Outland, I fought back the Burning Legion, dethroned Illidan Stormrage and defeated Kil’jaeden, the Deceiver.

Along with my allies, I traveled to the icy wastes of Northrend and put an end to the Lich King’s machinations, saving Azeroth from the mindless undead Scourge.

Even Ragnaros the Firelord could not stand against us, nor stop us from putting an end to Deathwing’s madness and the Twilight’s Hammer.

Traveling to the lost continent of Pandaria, I aided the Shado-Pan against the Mogu threat and the Thunder King Lei-Shen, put an end to the Mantid threat and their Grand Empress, and played a part in overthrowing the tyrannical Warchief, Garrosh Hellscream.

Even an alternate reality where the Orcish clans did not side with the Legion did not make a difference; Archimonde would still fall and Gul’dan’s carefully laid plans were thwarted for the time being.

Setting aside differences with the Alliance for the greater good of Azeroth, we put an end to Gul’dan’s schemes and defeated a corrupt world soul, putting Argus to rest and putting an end to the Burning Legion, once and for all.

Struggling with a war on two fronts: against the Alliance, and against various threats from both outside and within, my newfound allies and I succeeded in defeating the Blood God G’huun, putting a stop to Queen Azshara’s schemes, and overthrowing the insidious Old God, N’Zoth.

Even in the face of death itself and the end of the cosmos, we could not be stopped. Rallying with my covenant and my allies, we put an end to the Jailer and saved all of the Shadowlands as well as the cycle of life and death entire.

And throughout all of my travels, I couldn’t seem to find…

Who asked?

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you’re just gonna have to get over it

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Or we could throw a tremendous stink for a decade, like Alliance players did until they got everything they wanted.

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When will you people ever let this go?

Seriously, both factions have been teaming up together since Warcraft 3.

And nobody wants another Horde Civil War again.

We have been getting these in the form of the Lordaeron questline at the end of SL, the Baine questline added in DF, and the heritage armor questlines.

And also let’s not forget that in BFA, Horde had different story options for the war campaign in the form of being able to side with Saurfang or Sylvanas.

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Checkmate atheists!

But anyways to the actual topic of the post to take a bait post seriously, part of the issue that folks really need to get is rooting for the Horde to go all blood thirsty and “go back to decimating the Alliance” is how you got the mess of them being neutered anyways. There’s still gonna be Alliance fans who want the score to be settled and not every Horde player want to be some raving genociders/be retaliated in similar ways given magic nukes and genocide are ‘on the table’ as a possibility. So there’s either two routes the devs can take, mutually assured destruction, which I mean I guess if you’re content to fight over ashes is fine, or in the plot the Alliance joins up with a section of Horde dissidents and they beat the Horde loyalists and choose mercy once the Horde Loyalists loose (As has happened twice now). The latter is the only way the game can continue to function.

You can have the game’s factions warm up to squabbling and fighting again (Hopefully over organic reasons instead of characters being villain batted into being pure evil), but you’re never, nor should you ever, go on about ‘decimating’ each other just because it leads to the same stuff you’re complaining about.

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I should have clarified, when I say “Horde stories” I mean stories that don’t paint the Horde as evil and/or stupid.

Which is too much to ask when it comes to Blizzard’s new writing team, it seems.

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Or, and you might want to sit down for this, they could just not have us hate each other based on what color tabard we’re wearing that day. Every time a Horde kills an Alliance, or vice versa, in the fact of an overwhelming cosmic threat, the real enemy wins. I’m tired of being told the person next to me trying to do the same thing I am, with the same goals I have, and the same target I’m hunting is an enemy to kill just because they happened to live in a castle instead of Spikeville.

The faction conflict is beyond stupid, and has been since its inception because conflicts need winners and losers, but since the playerbase is on both sides of it, neither side can win or lose because parity is paramount.

Conflict is good and well when it’s the PCs versus AI, but PC vs PC storytelling inevitably ends in a horrific mess that either goes nowhere or neuters one side entirely which leads into a feedback loop that leads to less people being on that side, resulting in losing conflicts, resulting in further neutering, which leads to less people, etc, etc.

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We’re at war with the Primalists.

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(Post never typed in the first place by author)

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