You also only have 1 Deadshot trait and a practically useless snakes eyes traits. Get optimal traits and the dmg will change drastically.
Its a nerf. A decent one but acting like its over for outlaw is drastic
ace up your sleeve sims way higher than deadshot esp with crit rtb…
Maybe give deeper strategem a whirl. I’ve been running that almost all season since getting 3x Ace. For reasons I do not understand, vigor always SIMs a few hundred DPS higher, even with 3x Ace and no deadshots, but using DS puts out way better numbers in practice. Especially on ST.
For what it’s worth, the MDI rogues are running 3x deadshot/ 2x ace with vigor. Maybe you’ve gotta have more deadshots than aces for vigor to be the way to go, but if you’ve got more aces than deadshots, I think DS is the better play.
“Brought in line with other melee” yet warriors and DH do about 10k more overall dps in a M+ run.
You mean brought in line with enh shammy?
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Yeah, finally had a pug with a fury warrior and he pulled about 10k more than me. I’m still holding my own against the DHs I’ve grouped with.
Lower than enh probably. On the 8.2 ptr I could hold around 58k forever on the 4 target dummies at 420 ilvl as enhancement. I can barely hold that on live as 437 outlaw after a few minutes unless I get lucky rolls.
You can do 80-90k on 4 targets if you are unlucky, if you are lucky you can do 130-150k
That’s great but go hit the dummies for a few minutes and tell me that you’re keeping that damage because you’re not. My favorite thing is that I can go look at any of the top rogue streams on .io and seeing pretty much everybody sitting on 60k-70k on a pack of 4-6 mobs on a 20-30 second pull with double / crit buff when these people have near perfect gear. Unless its a half dungeon mdi pull with bote these people aren’t even leaving packs with those 150 numbers. Hell the top guys latest vod is doing mdi sized pulls in fh and both rogues still finished below the MM hunter.
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Yeah, and if you don’t roll crit, or one of your two isn’t crit, the damage is nowhere near that. The difference between a crit BtE with 3 aces and deeper strategem is 100k FFS. Getting to 6 combo points and firing off a 20-30k BtE feels like absolute crap, and it shows on the meter. (You can also watch yourself gain about 2k DPS every time that damn thing crits.)
Also, those numbers for 4 targets are insane. I’m gonna have to say pics or it didn’t happen. I’ve absolutely never seen anyone of any class in game ever break 100k on 4 targets. My SIM can’t even come close to that on 4 targets over 5 minutes, and that’s a freakin’ computer playing it perfectly.
439 outlaw here and I just dropped to 437 so I could try assass with my 430 daggers. Did a +8 with 3 echoing blades and only one good single azerite trait (double dose). On aoe packs I was pulling over 40k and on bigger packs I was able to do 70k without iris… More than my outlaw rogue unless I roll crit and use adren rush. My damage was going even higher but because it was an 8 the mobs died too quickly. I was easily able to match my outlaw single target dps at about 30k and that’s being out of practice and sometimes letting my bleeds drop. I’m going to do some higher keys tomorrow but it seems like running 3 echoing blades im able to do even more aoe than my outlaw rogue.
Damn. I’ve gotta learn assassination. Need to overhaul my UI first, I tried playing it and really struggled to keep track of my DoTs on multiple targets with the default UI.
Yer not the greatest week to go ham with bursting affix, hopefully next week is better coz really wanna let mut loose
Your spec was so much better than every other spec in M+ that 3 were brought 5 mans done at the highest level. Did you really not expect some nerfs to bring you in line with the other specs? I’m genuinely curious here… Nobody enjoys nerfs. But even post nerf you’re still arguably the strongest M+ dps.
Your anecdotal evidence where a fury warrior/DH/mage/etc out damaged you in a dungeon does not change the strength of your spec. It just speaks to a difference in ability and gear.