The wording sounds like something out of a quarterly report, but I couldn’t find it there. I did find this from the slides:
Blizzard - [Q3] Revenue grew 20% Y/Y, driven by World of Warcraft and the Battle for Azeroth expansion, which offsets lower revenues for Overwatch & Hearthstone
So that doesn’t sound bad. There’s some indication that the good financial results are more from token sales than especially good subscriptions in one of the earlier slides, but that isn’t surprising.
The audio is here:
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I skipped through and found one question that seemed relevant at 37 minutes in, but the answer didn’t address subscription numbers. I didn’t listen to the whole thing, though; if someone wants to listen to all the questions, maybe there’s something in there somewhere.
I would be somewhat surprised if the dropoff was as much as 60-65%, unless they are counting, say, kids that got the game as a gift and are funded through tokens or gift purchases as not “subscribed”.
I do think there’s likely to have been significant subscriber loss in the PVP base, mostly because of war mode imbalance which is a way bigger problem than anything in the battlegrounds area.
You weren’t following the war mode discussion when the crisis hit.
After all, battlegrounds and in fact all PVP content is optional too, but how many people in this forum would stick around long term just for the PVE content?
I actually like doing dungeons and stuff but I feel like I am a rare outlier here, I made my 49 warrior just to run straholme after all I love that dungeon.
I have managed to get that dungeon both crusader side and undead side down to like 30 minutes with random pugs it feels great.
If it makes you feel any better, if you and all the rest of the Horde mains started complaining about how Horde always has to fight 8v10 in battlegrounds, and after a couple months you all just quit posting, I’d consider that an indication of a major exodus too.
On its Twitter account, WeakAuras revealed that active subscribers jumped to 3.2 million after the launch of the seventh major expansion, World of Warcraft: Battle for Azeroth, back in August. But since then, the number has fallen to 1.7 million. These numbers are worldwide excluding China, it claims.
“In later tweets, WeakAuras said that “the original post with those findings has since been deleted, not sure if because Blizzard threatened to sue or because it was false data”. That means you should take the new findings with a heavy pinch of salt.”
Fair enough. We lost a lot of “subscriptions” due to Chinese gold farmers.
IIRC, Wrath had at much as 14 million subscriptions (counting the gold farmers). Then again, I swapped to Boomy and got 2K in about 2 hours of arena time. LOL. It was busted.
But since Blizzard stopped posting subscription numbers in 2015, I think they did that to hide the fact they’ve alienated a lot of pure PVP players and I’m not sure when they removed PVP vendors, I tink it was 2015, not sure. But if that’s when they stopped reporting, I have to think removing PVP vendors and putting in templates ticked enough players off to say goodbye.
Don’t forget that counts all the players who would bot, which was quite high come wod and why in Legion that company was effectively shutdown. I will take less subs if it means less bots/gold farmers etc…
Tbf, no other company reveals their sub numbers like they used to for wow.
I just know the subs are down and by roughly how much due to internal source. I have no idea the exact reason aside from the usual sources and forum feedback.
Also not sure if this drop is more than WoD or Legion (percentage wise). WoD had a crazy drop and had way more subs than Legion or BfA to start with.
WoD closed the door on ‘its been working fine why change it’ for Bliz when they talk with Activision.
I personally believe it was due to WoD having no content future so everyone bailed. It was like being on the last tier from the very beginning.
Activision is pressing hard to extract as much money as possible from this declining franchise. Bliz guys have tough time refuting this inexorable logic since WoD. MoP was the first hit and then WoD sealed the deal.
Anyways I hope the ‘cancelled subs’ feedback surveys give them enough traction to focus on fun rather than behavior modification and micros.
The lock with 160k HP could be running the drain trait. So He is able to heal himself up, Plus at 160k HP that lock has access to the last row of azerite traits which will normally help heal him somehow. Much more healing anyways then what a lock at 90k hp will get.
But locks are a bad example. We are so squishy its honestly pathetic.
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