Its kinda redonkuless but seems like a ongoing trend only taking people 800+ gs above whats needed
And this is for normal… like 5k gs players wpuldnt even get upgrades lol come on yall conduct yourself better
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5k is semi ulduar geared, yes I’d want people to have done the last phase…
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NB4 Armordrone uses 300 words to explain that you can start your own group, as if you didn’t already know that.
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It doesn’t matter. If people want to set a bar wherever they want for their own runs, they are entitled to do so, as are you, so just create your own groups, and have fun the way you want.
Unless of course, the way that you have fun is to regulate the way other people enjoy themselves!
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…and then watch it never fill as people mouseover your character, see the ‘not 5k GS’ in the tooltip, and leave.
Blizzard really should have put in a Item Level Scaling for the harder Heroics. I mean. They’re suppose to be harder, right? So how can they be harder if nearly everyone outgears them?
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Dude, I feel bad that you, and others are having these experiences, but I think at some point you really need to take personal responsibility. Being negative all the time must take a toll, and for sure it affects things around you, including your ability to get into or create groups.
It could be that because I’m a generally positive-minded person I don’t notice the difficulties as much, or don’t focus on them, but I cannot recall having the types of difficulties with people or groups in general that you seem to be facing all the time.
They could do a lot of things. What they have done is pretty fun, even if it is pandering to the whiners by making H++ easier than H+ – hopefully that doesn’t prevent people from having fun.
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Well they prob want clean runs. As while you might be able to absorb one 4.1-4.4k in a raid group of 25 the more you put in the more it turns to a pug. But if you cannot get a guild because you dig the pug life. Well you know that the people with 5k+ either have lots of experience, lots of money, lots of time, or a main who can funnel them crusader orbs. This is before the orbs end up being worth about 200g as the new badge is added and now each daily heroic + gives 2/3 of a crusader orb. So yes gear does imply skill and many of the lower geared players who get into raids are either buyers in gdkp, guildies, or pug leaders.
You can be pug leader just need to watch the adds and listen to the people who know what they are doing. This is catchup time and sunday/monday is the best day to get into a group due to tuesday resets.
Pray tell how.
Run GDKPs? Every single GDKP I see requires “vetting”. Part of that “vetting” involves showing your logs. No logs? Then you better come loaded with gold…which is also part of the “vetting process”. Time to swipe, I guess.
Join a raid guild? They literally all raid on Tuesdays. Starting around 8pm. For some that’s way too late due to work start times.
Buy crafted Ulduar Argent Tournament recipe gear? 30k. That’s how much it would cost you to get each crafted Plate DPS piece. Again, should I swipe?
EDIT: I mixed up where the White Knight and Saronite Swordbreaker recipes came from.
I, too, use to be postive-minded about Classic. But Blizzard’s failure to manage a ‘slamdunk of a project’ has left me rather…annoyed.
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It’s been the same for retail. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.
Half of the game in wow is gear progression, character progression. And yes if you’re late to the party you will have to work harder to get there. Having progression be meaningful means that new players will have more difficulty managing to get there which is why they moved on from the raid progression format heavily in retail and now by adding H+ to Wotlk.
On my server the crafted gear is no where close, maybe you should look at buying the mats and getting them crafted yourself.
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I suppose this is a good question, and I further suppose that there are enough people playing this game that there are bound to be outliers on both ends; both those who are extremely lucky with finding and forming groups, almost always, and those who are extremely unlucky.
So, it is possible, however unlikely, that you and I are both outliers on opposite ends of the group finding/forming luck spectrum.
With that in mind, I can tell you what I do when I am finding groups:
Put myself in LFG under whichever activity I am looking for, for example if I am looking for today’s VH H++ daily as DPS, I might list there with a note: “4.9gs feral” then go about my business, queuing skirmishes or random BGs, and wait for an invite.
Forming groups. For example, I ran 4 raids yesterday, ToGC 10 Heroic x 2 Ony 25/10 x 2 (okay, you could say 6). Here’s what I did:
List in LFG under ToGC 10, with the note:
“ToGC 10m Heroic - need all - MS > OS - Discord Required - pst Spec/GS”
For Onyxia it looked more like:
“Ony 25 - need all - MS > OS - Discord Optional - pst Spec/GS”
I then made a macro, and posted the same thing in /LookingForGroup, adjusting the “need all” accordingly.
Most of the people who messaged me for ToGC 10 Heroic were around 4.8 - 5.2 GS. I did invite a 4.6 Prot Paladin to off tank (I was MT). One group finished with 47 attempts remaining, the other with 50 (I rolled 89 for the mount, someone beat that with a 90).
For Onyxia, the average GS was much lower. We had a couple of people above 5K gs, but that majority were in the low 4000s. We did have one wipe on 25 man, with 23 people in the raid. I added a 4th healer, and we go it the next attempt.
Do you have no logs? I mean, sure that’s surprising since you’ve probably been playing since 2019, but I have pretty bad logs. Especially if you look at my gray parses in ToGC!
While I could say that I’m not really someone who cares a bunch about parsing, I’m probably not even good enough to get high parses. Realistically I’m an average player with average parses.
The community mostly killed WotLK with GS and people rushing end-game min/maxing. Blizz put a knife in it with H+ making the GS community issue worse and killing regular dungeons and regular heroics.
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I have no logs.
Lol
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Sure, but I haven’t seen you posting since 2019, like we’ve seen Kade.
My guild doesn’t log so even if I had you’d not see them ><
Cool. I don’t log, and don’t really care about logs, but both my guild, and most PuGs I join or host have people who are logging. I’d probably rather not log PuGs, but it is what it is!
These forums are so far away from what my experiences have been, I do see the whole gs meta can be a bit difficult for some to navigate and there will always be eletist players vetting their groups. Pugging on the whole is like smimming in treated wastewater, looks clean but every now and then a turd floats to the surface. Raiding is a group effort that requires organization, cooperation, coordination and financial resources so just wanting to pug and loot then you better be able to ensure you can pump. Otherwise make room for someone else who can.
“if you aren’t getting invited to a dungeon run because your GearScore is insufficient for some dorknerd handing out the invites, just form your own group. That way, we can have two incomplete groups instead of one! The more players who start their own group, the more “LF2M FOR X++” messages in the LFG channel. this is socializing in an MMORPG. you’re probably feeling a bit intimidated by how intelligent i am right now”
^— the 95 iQuotients on this forums
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If they’re asking for a certain ilvl it’s because they think they can find people. That’s why larger servers ask for higher ilvl because there’s more people on them.
I’m sure they’ll help when doing heroics but they are definitely not needed for normals. Partial. Naxx gear is plenty
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Thats like saying Highmaul and Blackrock Foundry are 2 different phases. They increased the ilvl of Ulduar to be almost that of ToC. Technically going into ToC you should be 226 ilvl or slightly less.
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