I tried Zul Aman and was able to get to the boss with the shadow bolts as a healer but have completed ZA multiple times as a prot paladin.
And basically I dropped the group and let a holy priest takeover during the aoe intense boss with shadow bolts.
holy set is 2,215 unbuffed
why make holy pallies so stupidly bad? they’re a completely useless class and it’s very noticeable in 10 man raiding…
what’s so hard about designing classes to be viable or fairly equal?
I don’t wanna hear anything about this and that. all the logs for holy paladins are bad unless they’re skewed purposely running fewer healers in a raid… so the holy paladin can look better in those logs.
w/e w/e
holy paladins are by far right now in tbc the worst and worthless. buffs are worthless to because a prot paladin can bring the same thing
why don’t holy paladins get aoe heals?
I don’t wanna hear about wrath either. it’s tbc right now and not wrath.
I’ve always heard how bad holy paladins are and they never catch up to the other 3 classes why even have holy pallies when they’re just that bad.
I play a priest in raid, and its not so much that holy paladin is actually bad its that Priest, Shaman and Druid are all just kinda insanely too good. Blizzard more or less nailed the Paladin in terms of balance related to the game as a whole but over did it with Priest, Shaman and Druid to different degrees; respective to the tools they have and their ease of use.
Paladin on the other hand has some really unique features but most of it does not apply to PVE raid because the raid design team did not utilize even really half the kits of the classes in terms of their designs, and that was a shortcoming on the PVE design team.
Regarding class design; fire and forget mechanics such as HoT’s and DoT’s; these should have always required more player engagement. Some will ask how can that be done, well that’s a discussion for design 20 years ago when this game was in its design phase.
Yeah, I didn’t even bother to level my Holy Paladin from Classic into TBC, because they are so basic, generic & unimaginatively positioned in the PvE healing role. They do get better in WotLK, but still seem like they are less fun to play than the other 3 healing classes in comparison (at least how I remember it from my original WoW days). Literally, the best selling point for Holy Paladins in these earlier versions of the WoW game is that you have the most versatile/easy non-tier-set gearing-up options if you are willing to wear cloth/leather/mail in addition to plate. Shaman also have it really good in that regard, minus the plate of course.
My personal overall favorite healer to play in TBC is my Shaman, and that will likely carry over to WotLK, & I really don’t care if they are the best or not in either xpac, since I’m playing to have fun first. Dual spec will make the Shaman & Priest my favorite classes in WotLK, since I like both healing & range dps-caster roles, & all spell-damage & healing-centric gear is being consolidated into simple spell-power gear as a synergy bonus. I also like playing my Druid, but I’m not a fan of forced Tree Form & forced Boomkin form.
They didn’t make them bad. They just ended up being that way as other healers got many powerful tools and encounters were more difficult and not tank and spank.
ZA is not hard for anybody, especially not for a good HPal
We’re not given the same cheesy abilities as other healers in TBC but we still provide value, you just have to actually have a brain. We also take over in Wrath too, so there’s that
This is subjective. I personally find healing in general less exciting than DPS because when people play well they don’t need much heals, however healing definitely has plenty of moments that provide a thrill and it comes with a way bigger responsibility than zugging. I’ve always been a DPS main but I came back to WoW when Phase 3 started - Its easier to get into a guild as a Healer most of the time if you’re good since there’s a large pool of DPS to pick from 24/7
HPal is fun for me personally by being an underrated hero and keeping tanks up in Sunwell in moments where other classes struggle. Even though we wiped near the end of Phase 2 I enjoyed the pressure and credit for keeping the tanks alive on Muru with Holy Light bombs that other classes can’t match. In BT and other places its usually a snooze-fest because if you bring 5 or more healers its a cakewalk where you don’t really need to do much except refresh buffs
When things are going well HPal seems bad. When stuff is starting to hit the fan is when HPal can shine. With about 15% haste and Light’s Grace up, your chonky heals are almost as fast as a 1.5 second cast. I use the Mystical Spellfire haste meta gem and when it procs I am bombing 1.5-second holy lights into people. Max rank Holy Light + Holy Shock combo has unparalleled HPS on a single target and can and has saved lives.
It’s not the belle-of-the-ball kind of class like Hpriest and Rsham but I personally find it rewarding to play.
Yes, but did anyone inform that you that the healing requirements in wrath are really low and you can get away with healing all the content with only 3 healers? Healing in wrath is going to be really boring.
I think people underedtimate how dull “rotations” were even up to wrath. For healers it was like this: Paladin - beacon, holy light. Druid - rejuv X15, wild growth. Priest - shield X♾. Shaman - Chain heal, recast earthshield.
Dps rotation wasn’t much better. People give cata a lot of flak but the gameplay got more interesting moving forward.
And only in certain areas. Paladins are still the defacto tank healers and bring some of the most valuable/stackable buffs via blessings and judgements.
You’re calling an entire build “completely useless” because of 1 fight it’s not effective at. Get over yourself. If you hate it this much then play a different healer.
