Just curious, I joined a guild that was LC as a trial raider and I took a peek at their current loot list and it was filled out with everyone whose already a core raider, I asked where my name would be and i’m like 5th or 6th behind the other Plate DPS.
The way I can climb up the loot council prio is showing up on time, coming often and performing better than the other guys.
I just laughed and gquit and realized this is why GDKPs exist, the idea that you have to get zero loot for weeks at a time at the off chance they decide to move you up is hilarious and a complete waste of time.
It also made sense to me why GDKPs are so popular and why people would rather MS>OS pug than join a LC guild, it takes way less work and effort and you can still progress in a meaningful way without any sort of gate keeping.
So what exactly is the advantage of LC unless you’re an early founder of that guild and can take prio? Seems like other raid types are superior in terms of progression for people.
Sounds like most loot councils. My guild fills out a google doc with everyone’s loot priority and its based on total damage/healing/effective health increases vs the best items which can be gotten otherwise, and items are awarded based on the highest improvement to the raid mathematically, making each piece of gear the biggest improvement to our raids overall performance. But we generally have always cleared all content relatively quickly so people will eventually get their gear.
Everyone does loot differently, good luck finding a guild where their loot system caters to you, or enjoy pugging if that’s what feels best to you!
Yeah this is a good point, I can see this being appealing to people.
Some of the pugs I join can be hit or miss and same with GDKPs, but I suppose LC is more consistent.
Dang wish I found a LC guild like that haha, I guess I was just turned off from the idea of trying to parse well and still not getting loot just because i’m the “New guy”, but it makes sense also why the new guy wouldn’t get loot right off the start as they can just leave.
I guess it just comes down to a trust thing if you can trust the guild you’re in to distribute properly.
Loot council is a scam just pug and /roll for gear you’ll actually get some. Loot council is “my group of friends I made the guild with get the loot first, then everyone else”.
There is a slim chance that you will get OCD control freak RL that will distribute gear in most mathematically fair way possible, until he gets mental breakdown from people unhappy with loot
Yes our guild leader goes nuts if people have any drama over loot lol. Basically you walk if you don’t like it, as how it’s given out is in everyone’s faces, poor guy spends way to many hours making those lists for every given tier…
Always free to join a guild that does DKP. GDKP is an option as well, but it’s expensive to get started up in. There are guilds that do loot council that don’t go off a loot drop list, but being a trial raider means you have to prove yourself, so be realistic that you aren’t going to scoop BIS stuff over another raider week 1 fresh into the guild.
The reason why Retail went personal loot with no mater loot a while ago is because of Loot Councils and players gate keeping each other.
I get that in works in Claassic but what you described sounds like a job application and there’s a chance you join as a trial only to hate the guild a couple weeks in and losing multiple lockouts.
There’s also cases where the guild just uses the trial and kicks them without a spot even if they were good because their IRL friend wants a placement.
I genuinely thing RMT and GDKPs will never stop solely because of LC, it might work 2 out of 10 times but most times there’s too much human greed influencing placement and choices.
All the people that use these examples tend to be the ones that never actually participated in the content with a real group and are just passing around scary stories.
And losing a couple weeks of lockout (not getting gear) is Literally what people complain about in retail allllllll the time for weeks on end.
The difference is that Retail is personal loot and RNG screws a lot of people.
In Classic Loot Council, nepotism screws you out of loot not RNG.
Why bother spending weeks as a trial in a guild that might not even keep you or you might not want to be a part of when GDKPs don’t discriminate and MS>OS pugs exist.
Only reason why people defend LC is if they are ones in charge and have control over the flow of loot, anyone else is at the mercy of the few.
We use loot council, but it’s basically the same 25 of us every week, quite of lot of items come down to “it’s good for these 3 people, so they can /roll for it” and we’re all happy when each of us gets an upgrade. The loot is worked out before the tier begins and is available for everyone to see.
I guess it doesn’t work if you hate eachother, but for a group of people that enjoy raiding with eachother it works well.
Same, we use thatsmybis, and it’s weighed by individual priority level based on user input as well as participation/competency/consistency.
There are flaws in all forms of loot distribution, people just go with LC because it generally prioritizes success of the guild instead of the RNG retail uses with personal loot and DKP which can be cheesed by hording or can give an item to a crap player
Loot council exists for players who want to be as efficient as possible, and see loot as a tool, not a reward. Since you only joined to see about getting loot, it was beneficial for the guild to have you leave ASAP.
Admittedly Loot Council is nowhere near as common or important as it was in the original game due to progression requirements.
