u dont get dkp for out dpsing or healing some1. thats ridiculous xD
Ugg dont get me started on the decline of airline service and comfort. Now we have airlines like Spirit.
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yea i heard spirit uses loot council too. not a fan of that airline
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We used to wear suits to fly.
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My first few raiding guilds i joined back in Vanilla were strictly DKP. I was a little late to the raiding scene and most of the guild members had truck loads of DKP saved up. Took me months and months just to get even a couple pieces of loot. So I eventually said this guilds bogus, letâs try a different one. So forfeit all my saved up DKP, that was essentially useless anyway, and joined a new guild. New guild, same problem. Behind the DKP curve, so I was always getting either no loot, or getting the bad loot no one wanted.
In TBC I joined my first loot council guild and loved it. Never looked back. I stayed in a loot council guild until I quit playing WoW.
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Now you count yourself lucky if the family next to you is wearing pants.
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Loot council is a great system, with the small (lol) caveat that your council has to be competent and not corrupt. If the main goal of the loot council is to distribute loot in a way that increases overall raid performance and the council members are informed enough to make that sort of decision, it is easily one of the best (if not THE best) systems (which is why so many top guilds and even above average guilds use loot council, at least to some extent).
With 40 people and extremely scarce loot from Classic raids, you can really increase your raid performance by hugeeee amounts simply by giving the right items to the right people since the loot is so rare and certain players/roles have a more significant impact on how well the raid does than others do.
Stack your tanks, healers, and best dps first etc etc. If you loot council Visâkag to your best Rogue or something like that, itâs going to benefit your raid as a whole much more than if it went to the new trial whoâs still figuring out how to play the class. It might boost the good rogueâs DPS by like 400, while the trial rogue might only squeeze and extra 100 DPS out of it. Loot distribution like this == faster/more boss kills == more loot for everyone in the long run.
The problem comes into play with how easily it is for a loot council to become corrupt, or they just start corrupt in a lot of cases since the main goal for the corrupt loot council is to funnel gear to the âin groupâ.
Unless the guild is clearly competent (e.g. they have loot priority spreadsheets, consistent raiders, knowledgeable loot council, etc) then loot council is probably a red flag- if youâre clearing MC in 3 hours with whoever you can find online at the time and are running loot council, yeah Iâd probably run far far away from that guild. But on the other hand, if the guild has no sort of loot priority and everything is DKP/open roll or something, unless theyâre all really good players and close friends thatâs probably not going to work out and is just as big of a red flag. People abuse the bid systems just as hard as they do loot council, itâs just abused by everyone not just the people on the council.
With that said, Iâm raid leading my guild right now and we have this sort of combination of EPGP with item priority to certain classes (so the hunter canât hoard EP and just scoop the first Drakefang Talon that drops, allows SOME level of control about who the items go to but not at an individual player level- just class/role which is enough), and then loot council for tank gear (not loot council, but i mean it just gets main tank prioâed to me so itâs kind of loot council?)/legendaries/certain BIG ticket items like BWL trinkets. It allows me to optimize for raid performance to a good enough extent, without inevitably stacking certain individuals to the detriment of other players. Drama is not worth it in Classic WoW, and unless youâre a world top 100 guild or something pure loot council is generally a lot more drama than itâs worth (and itâs a lot of work lol).
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i wish they wouldnt wear pants. too bad i loot counciled their pants to the main tank
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Do you want to live in a democracy or a dictatorship? Dictatorships are great if you get lucky and have a benevolent king. More efficient and they get things done. But not so great if an Adolf Hitler comes into power.
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Or their friends.
Even if they arent consciously doing it, chances are they are sub-consciously leaning toward their friends. I have seen loot council abused so much over the last 20 years that Id rather put up with the imperfections of practically any other system.
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First ever loot council guild in classic. 2 months of raiding = one piece of gear. Aka bailed went to a dkp guild with caps on dkp so no hoarding tons of dkp.
We all want to progress
. My only experience with loot council is they want to just progress their friends and your just the dumpster after their done with their gear.
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Things we do as LC in our guild to curb corruption/bias:
1- Track every piece of loot every week. Every item that doesnât get dusted is logged. We also keep track of cumulative loot over time, to see when players on are drop droughts. This information is accessible at all times to the entire guild.
2- We reference the cumulative loot chart when awarding items. Say two mages of equal caliber want one of the big four from MC, and mage 1 received a ToEP the prev week, and Mage 2 hasnât received something in four weeks, Mage 2 will get the drop. If there is no easy way to differentiate between potential awardees, we let the dice decide.
3- We roll 1-40 before we award loot at the end of the raid to determine a random member to sit in LC and weigh in. This allows people of all ranks in the guild to sit in on the discussion and offer their input, which is considered when awarding drops.
4- Discuss priorities before we even get to the next raid tier so people have a good idea who is going to see what first. Like Nelthâs Tear going to the two warlocks who will rank on Twin Emps, or our Warlocks passing on Mana Igniting Cord since their Tier 2 is practically identical, and Mages donât see as good an option til Câthun. This can help curb disappointment, which can breed resentment and accusation of corruption and bias.
It isnât a perfect system, but I cannot recall a big dust up over loot this far. Will prolly have to wait til that Juicy stuff from BWL drops.
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as long as it works for u and ur guild thats great. i just find dkp the most fair and balanced way to obtain gear for every1
Except thats a load.
Ive been on both sides of loot council abuse. Ive had times where I was funneled gear because people liked me more than the next guy. Yes I performed well, so did other peopleâŠ
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Loot council sucks avoid that, but any guild worth anything uses epgp or dkp.
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lc is terrible
what this system does is make sure geared players more geared while under geared players stay under geared
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Except that said rogue will always be the top dps as they are getting the best upgrades. Which in turn leads to that rogue being top dps and first in line for more upgradesâŠ
You dont see the flaw with that?
The other rogues will never overcome regardless if they play better or not.
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On my warrior I was always top DPS . I would always turn up on time and complete raid .
I got zero loot from any MC run or Onyxia .
Since classic has started I havenât acquired a single item from a raid.
Because guild canât get stable players we always have some puggers to make up numbers . So we run MS/OS . Only 5 items have ever droped which my orc dps warrior could use and I lost roll every time .
The onyxia heads went to tanks and we have gone through so many tanks getting Off spec gear wonât happen anytime soon.
So yeah dkp or loot council would have to be better than /roll imo
I think there are two kinds of raiders, those who want the guild to progress and kill bosses and those who raid to get loot for themselves.
In my experience in guilds with like-minded people more interested in killing a boss than who loot goes too, loot-council has always been the best choiceâŠwith caveats. Deliberations cannot be made in private. If everything is out in the open and on the level, nothing progresses an entire guild faster than a council.
However, if youâre raiding to get yourself gear (not saying this is in any way worse than the other kind of raider,) then either a dkp or a /random loot system would be better.
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Thatâs why me and gf stop raiding not a fan of it but then again we also stopped because it was just getting boring