I thought it was nice that in vanilla raids were a bit more than glorified dungeons. But I guess people rather have trash mobs that pose zero dangers and reliable loot.
Guess everyone will be decked out in full bis epics after a few weeks in every phase.
Feels bad they are taking the second most Iconic raid in WoW and turning it into a 20 man. I was really hoping for the Season of Mastery version of the 40 man
ZG and AQ20 are vanilla raids. I guess they don’t count? Loot in those raids were blues and some rare purples, similar to BFD and Gnomer in SoD. It was hinted that the retooling of MC to 20-man will also have completely different gear… it could be that gear will be mostly blue-quality.
ewww they’re making MC 20 man?
so much for phase 4 being the savior of SoD lol
Nothing Epic about 40 man raids either…especially 20 year old raids
Well they’ve never felt epic, just fun lil catchup raids with a few really good drops.
SoD players wanna stuff their face with beer and pretzels and just do raid finder-style ez mode raids… can’t let the roster boss of 40 mans mess up their beer and pretzels 
MC sucks lol.
MC rocks
that’s not true. seeing all the boys run across the bridge in The Core is epic AF and forever will be.
Hi Eyr,
Sa also your alt or just a buddy?
You always say it sucks and is too long, when it is the shortest of the 40 man raids (cept maybe speedrun bwl).
Did the corehounds hurt you? Or was it the molten giants that made you run a few times too many?
I’m xfour we’ve debated stuff before.
It seems Blizz has capitulated to the retail kiddos. It is what it is. Many of the top guilds are openly discussing going to pservers for a better experience. Time will tell how it all plays out.
I bet he’s the kinda guy who blows up the raid with baron geddon gotta put down that pretzel and beer bro
he puts down Group 5 and 6.
poor DK is traumatized
Imagine thinking there’s anything epic about raids that are designed for you to just stand and hit, because the raid sizes are so big they can’t design anything that expects more than 20 of the “raiders” to not just be warm bodies
I dont see much of this being made in 10mans lately…
SoM crashed and burned. Maybe they want people to experience the raid this time.
Also the 40 man version will always be in Classic Era.
The thing about the 40 man raids is that extra trash pulls will often wipe current-geared groups, then 40 people have to run back.
With 40 people it is easy that one of those players will walk a few pixels in either direction and cause this.
The difficulty was never the bosses, it was getting 40 good people to clear trash without wiping and do the simple mechanics on the bosses.
It isn’t hard, but it turns out a huge portion of this community struggles with it - especially when it increases in difficulty just a bit in AQ40 / naxx.
They def do feel quite a bit more epic than 10 man UBRS or 20 mans.