Every single BG, there are at least 5 Ret paladins on the alliance side. It basically guarantees a loss. I know paladins are the most overpopulated class and everyone is a paladin… by why grief your team by playing ret, when you have an actual pvp spec you could be playing (holy)?
The horde dont seem to have this issue. They usually have a lot of holy paladins, and maybe 1 ret at most. As you’d expect, this skyrockets their win chances. A team of half ret paladins will never be able to kill any enemy healers or casters. The less ret paladins on any given team, the better.
Please stop doing this, Alliance.
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The ret paladin has been tied to the alliance lore-wise since vanilla; since WC3 even. The ret pally is part of alliance culture, since most dream about being uther.
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What can be done to stop this?
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? because it’s wotlk, and I see more Blood elf pallys than HU on NA.
not sure if your trolling, but anyone serious about pvp will play Human for double trinket slot, it’s bis this expansion, and wotlk is the paladin expansion for pvp lol…
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When I rolled Alliance during early P2 of WoW Classic, because I wanted to experience Vanilla Pally, I was really surprised at how many paladins there were, and particularly how many Ret paladins!
Horde had Shamans, but it seemed like Ret was the single most popular spec!
I guess a lot of people really like the play style or class fantasy. So much so that even if its DPS is somewhat lacklustre, there always seem to be people keeping the dream alive. 
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Easy. Make them bottom tier dps to discourage people from playing it
…oh wait.
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he’s talking about pvp, and ret is top 5 dps in icc with 100% armor pen, but zoomers that’ never played this game will cry like it’s retail lol…imagine playing a 14 year old game and complaining about balance…i don’t even know.
Wotlk is the expansion for *holy paladin pvp.
Ret is a grief to any BG or Arena team.
it’s not, just noob zoomers think that. I’ve played wm/priv wotlk for over a decade, there are 2 ret builds for arena 1h/shield (no preg) and the 2h version, s6-s8 rets are 3k+ viable as full ret, it’s legit the best expansion for them outside of maybe Mop.
just NA is bad, I have 2.5k rated exp with Ret paladin/mm hunter in 2s, Ret pala/uh dk in s7/s8 2.4k+ people just don’t know what they are talking about, ret has so many S tier comps that are rank 1 viable.
Ret is just like Arms warrior, incredibly gear dependant and relient on raid gear for the op trinkets/weapons.
Im well familiar with wmane/AT/Blackrock. The only Rets ive seen succeeding were Smourne-wielding Rets in one very specific setup (MM/Ret). They are trash in 3.3.5 in S5-S6. Sure, a mutli-R1 Ret with a multi-R1 MM Hunt can make it work in 2s (or cupid 3s) right now… but thats 1% of the population and NOT the people who are griefing Battlegrounds.
They’re a LOT stronger in cata. Not sure how familiar you are with the 4.3.4 pserver scene but the meta has evolved greatly over the years and Rets dominate there. Vanguards cleave is straight up broken on 4.3.4. Scooby and PHD also MILES better than they are in wotlk. There are even triple dps setups that are glad viable with Ret in cata. Selfless healer and WoG are absolutely broken for ret in 4.3.4.
I play horde also and any pally I see on my team is ret 90% of the time, so we’re not so different you and I.
Yeah, no crap… every BG I play in has 80% ret pallies/Dks running amok on both sides.
Boomkin and rogues make up the rest.
You’re lucky to get a single healer nowadays in AB or EotS- though when you do, it’s usually a holy pally.
Exactly. But Holy Paladins are good, at least. What’d be nice would be some more Disc Priests, Resto shamans, Mages, Locks, Spriests, Hunters, etc. I almost never see these classes in BGs. Its almost as if the entire community rolled Rets and DKs.
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90% of the player base is all about the zug zug dps.
DK is the king of the BGs and for some reason, ret pallies are popular even though they aren’t top-tier dps.
Then again, bg pvp is broken in classic so it really doesn’t matter too much anymore.
And don’t get me started on arena… it’s completely FUBAR’ed. Literally unplayable if you don’t talent for one of the handful of builds required.
That’s where you see Hpallies everywhere.
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Im so bored of the same 3 specs over and over again. Really had higher hopes for wotlk classic. The expansion just feels like a meme. It didnt feel like this on 3.3.5 pservers.
I’ll tell you what alliance rets could do to improve without waiting for any buffs; learn to hybridize talents.
Most of our new bottom tier talents are talents we didn’t have in classic, where we learned how to fight.
Ret pallys need to learn how to not rely on or feel compelled to go all the way down the tree and pick out juicy mid-tier talents from two trees; talents that were the crux of ret pally classic power, and all classic talents in general.
I realize you rets would be gimping yourself damage-wise, but PvP isn’t always about heavy damage…
PvP is about knowing how to defend yourself and fighting back.
Human male paladins: keeping the meme alive since 2005. 
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If you want to force people to play certain specs, then start offering to pay their sub.
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They’re purposefully griefing everyone else and, frankly, it should be a bannable offense.