Whatever happened to the High Elf Megathread? 2019

Probably rerolled Horde in their excitement for the end-game scene Alliance side and the super gorgeous mechagnomes allied race.

Give us our core back!

High Elves and Vulpera were the founders of the Alliance.

We should have both back as core races and half Vulpera half High Elf as our next allied race.

#MakeAllianceTubularAgain

probably is your issue. We don’t really have a number or a limit. The issue with this argument is that they tell us in the lore the approximate number of high elves that didn’t go with Kael’thas. But void elves are coming directly from the population of blood elves, which is MUCH larger.

When you spawn in as a blood elf, you are basically playing as a blood elf who turned into a void elf. That wouldn’t be the case for separate high elves. The tiny fragment of high-elves remaining are represented by NPCs in game.

Except we’re extremely aware that all Void Elves were a set number of Blood Elves. The event that caused Void Elves to exist was singular. It’s not currently known to be repeatable.

All Void Elves exist as a single unit, a single forward team. They can not possible be larger than the High Elves who moved away.

Unless we accept that there were just a few thousand High Elves left (which would actually be problematic genetically), Void Elves don’t outnumber High Elves. They functionally can not. They were already a “small group” of Blood Elves who sought out the void. Even more, they were the smallest group who followed Umbric.

In the end it doesn’t matter. Unless 10% of the Blood Elves became Void Elves (given the lore it’s incredibly unlikely; Umbric brought a small team with him, not a whole sect) the Void Elves number in the the hundreds, maybe a thousand. High Elves have much higher numbers just based on logic and lore.

I don’t need to rely on “probably” when I can say compare the two. High Elves were 10%, void elves were “a small group” with an incredibly small NPC presence. High Elves were clearly more populous than Void Elves.

Edit:

Lore wise it’s been less than a decade and a half since the High Elf/Blood Elf split. Suggesting that Blood Elves are now a “significantly larger” population than they were is false. At best they could have a huge child population.

10% of High Elves deciding not to be Blood Elves is a lot. Lore wise, 11 years later, they wouldn’t have recovered their adult population yet.

Lore wise:

  • Sunwell trilogy happened in 22.
  • BC happened in year 26.
  • BFA happened in year 33.

Any children born of the “Blood Elves” would be 11 right now. They’re completely incapable of being part of the disagreement.

Which means we’re back to my original point:

  • 10% of High Elves stayed High Elves.
  • A very small number of Blood Elves became Void Elves (but no where near 10%, given the representation, the way it’s expressed, the uniqueness of the situation, etc)
  • Blood Elves haven’t repopulated in any meaningful way since the event.
  • High Elves are still, roughly, 10% of the population of Thalassian Elves.
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The problem being is if we look at it outside of the game world:

1-How many High elves does blizzard say there are? Not enough.
1-How many Void elves does blizzard say there are? Enough.
3-There are no concrete population numbers out there other than “As many as there need to be for the story” so trying to use logic to argue for or against an AR using in universe numbers is just an exercise in futility.

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/High_elf

“Kael’thas’ army numbered at least 2,000 (“thousands of them”) according to the ‘Excerpts from the Journal of Archmage Vargoth’, it follows that the total high elf population is currently at least 1,481 (and at least ~148,000 prior to the Third War).”

We have a starting point, and I suspect it wouldn’t be much higher than that. If that was during BC, then 1 of 2 scenarios is true.

  1. They fought with us, regardless of faction, to defeat the Legion twice, as well as many other threats. Logically many of them would have died along side the other races.

-or-

  1. They didn’t fight and remained neutral thus preserving their paltry numbers, in which case they don’t deserve to fight with either faction.

still is unlikely due to the probability of scenario 1 above. We saw their forces directly during Legion. That was probably almost all of them.

**Edit: I suppose that depends on the rate they lost their lives compared to Blood Elves, so technically the percentage could still be the same, but overall the numbers would still be smaller.