Probably because none of them are actually comparable examples, and are in fact just you complaining about Horde things that you don’t feel have been adequately realized in the universe.
Have the Frostwolves, the Amani, and the Steamwheedle join the Alliance and then we’ll talk.
Where? The fact that Natalie Seline was made a human even though she’s neutral? Or that Void Elves exist, even though they draw their power from a cosmological entity that didn’t exist for most of WoW’s history and are treated as a tiny, hyper-marginalized presence in the Alliance?
Not the case Horde-side, they were a third of all “Alliance Assault” quests consistently + were the reason Horde was forced to retreat in Battle of Lordaeron
it does seem like the Alliance now have a monopoly on Light and Void.
Just saying. Baal does have a point. If we are talking about grips on what the other faction “stole” the Horde was always supposed to be Shadow/Void aligned.
Alleria and her void elves seem like a cheap attempt to be another “grey” faction lead by a Windrunner. Comparable to the Forsaken, but they just ended up making emo elves. Forsaken lite.
From what I understand, the reconciliation was extremely limited at best. While it’s true that Sylvanas sabotaged it, the events of BFA should have made things incomprehensibly worse. Because this is now the second time (third if you want to count vanilla (fourth for those who think them no different from the scourge)) that the forsaken have gone on to do this sort of thing.
But that’s actually a horde problem in general with the story, not just the forsaken. Because the game took what I thought was a pretty cool lesson about monsters not actually being monsters, and has largely replaced it with “actually they’re just bad people who happen to look like monsters.” And that suuuuucks.
As for the point about void elf interaction, that point could have been repeated anywhere there’s human presence, not necessarily an alliance territory. But I actually consider the gameplay mechanic of red names for opposite-faction players to be just as valid of a message.
It was the Gnomes that forced the Horde to retreat. The Void Elves just ported people in.
I don’t think that these kinds of abstract concepts are really comparable to the fact that actual physical material things like land and characters and NPC’s were taken from the Alliance and given to the Horde in order to allow the Forsaken to exist and to be sustained as a playable Horde race, and that this is still happening to sustain them.
There isn’t really anything stopping Blizz from giving the Horde more void stuff because it doesn’t conceptually require Alliance affiliation. Not the case with the Forsaken, a Horde race that is fundamentally built literally around being Alliance things that the Horde now has.
I disagree. There is a hard limit to how much depth an interaction you can have with someone that is completely hostile and antagonistic towards you. It’s one of the reasons why Blizzard is so fond of the “put on a disguise and hang out in a mob-camp” thing for quests when they want to elaborate on the actions and motivations of a PvE faction; you can’t do much in an exclusively antagonistic context.
But since we’re going all in on the Void Elves as being the inverse of the Forsaken in terms of Horde things being given to the Alliance, I say we commit to that concept then.
The Horde presence in Quel’thalas is destroyed. Maybe there’s a giant void accident or something, but the place is flooded with void. Most Blood Elves are killed, with a handful survivng on Quel’danas and the rest fleeing to Orgrimmar. Some of the Elves survive but are Voidified. They kill a bunch of Blood Elven remnants and then ally with the Alliance, under a human shadowmage named Billvanas Voidrunner.
They then destroy the rest of the Blood Elven presence in Quel’thalas and consolidate their control over Silvermoon. They also absorb and Voidify any Elves that they come across. They take complete control over Quel’thalas and start calling themselves the true people of Quel’thalas and the sole rightful heirs. When Blood Elf refugees in Orgrimmar protest people on the forums tell them that they’re from Orgrimmar now, and Quel’thalas belongs to the Alliance. Lor’themar, Liadrin, and Halduron are all voidified as well and designated important Alliance characters. Rommath doesn’t get voidified but is killed in a low-level quest for Alliance players.
Billvanas does a bunch of naughty things that everyone ignores for a while until eventually he does something so naughty that he can’t be. The Horde comes and destroys the Alliance presence in Quel’thalas, but Bill’vanas eventually leaves the Alliance. Everyone treats things as hunky dory now, and the Void Elves are given Quel’thalas back. They also voidified Anasterian and Dath’remar Sunstrider to be their new leaders, and everyone agrees that really, it’s the Void Elves that are the biggest victims here and that they need to be delivered warm blankets and milk and cookies for all the suffering they’ve undergone, with Anasterian at the helm because he sees the Void Elves as “his people” and not the Blood Elves.
Once the above happens, THEN you can make Void Elf comparisons to Forsaken poaching. Then we’d be square, even steven, totally equal, etc.
No because according to you, a majority of Lordaeron citizens survived and integrated into Stormwind
So which is it?
Lordaeron citizens majority died and became the Forsaken who joined the Horde, or Lordaeron citizens majority survived and went to Stormwind and joined the Alliance?
I feel like she has a far greater connection to the Horde than to the Alliance. I do love Nathalie as a character and I really wish her connection to the Cult of Forgotten Shadow was way more recognized in game. If Calia is here to stay, I would love to see a Calia and Nathalie team up. but not sure how that would pan out with Calia being Light aligned and Nathalie being Void aligned. Maybe they could split the Forsaken between Light aligned and Void aligned. That would be way better than splitting them between the Alliance and the Horde.
Unquestionably. However, her model was made Black, and I think changing that is bad because there are very few Lore-relevant characters using Black customization options.
So I’d say just slap some Forsaken eyes on her current model and say the Void preserved her flesh and curls
they never really explained how she was able to ‘come back’ from being pure void. If they wanted to turn her into a Void Forsaken as a counter-point to Calia’s lightforged forsaken I’d suspend disbelief for that.
If we’re talking faction thematics then why not both? Void Undead stay Horde, Lightforged Undead go Alliance, everyone can go on their merry way and we never have to interact with each other ever again. Everyone wins.
I was using the premise that Renautus gave. I don’t agree with that premise at all, but for the sake of argument was willing to use it as a rhetorical basis to highlight what implications it presents and why I consider it terrible for the Alliance and to demonstrate what it would look like in the reverse, under the warranted assumption that Blood Elf/Horde fans would recoil at being put in a similar position that the Alliance was by her premise.