What lore claim do you cringe at the most when you see it on these forums/in-game?

That the Nightborne possessed all of the pillars of creation during WotA and bubbled themselves off in order to protect the pillars.

Thanks. I hate it.

Edit: How on earth did they get to Val’Sharah, HM, Stormheim and Azsuna?

Welcome to the club. I’d hold the door open for you but it got burned down.

Response edit: That’s unexplained. Just ignore that tid bit it happens when you retcon an expansion before it’s even over.

I think your settings might be off then, because they set the tempo for all media. All we snobs can do is try to steer them on the right path, heh.

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Two big ones.

  1. The idea that the player can’t be the single character that’s an ‘exception’ to their race’s standards. Despite them, being the hero of the story in all ways is just that.

  2. Tit for tat faction lore calculus. It is really silly and dishonest, typically.

Now that it is mentioned, the idea that Orcs are genocidal maniacs. They spent their eight hundred years mostly minding their own business. Only really fighting with Ogre enslavement. And in the most recent of history (past thirty years) done significant harm, mostly due to great lengths of deception and desperation.

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That orcs are inherently evil because stuff happened in WoD without demon blood. I’m not going to explain why, it’s just cringeworthy.

Also, the idea that the Alliance has it worse than the Horde. I don’t actually subscribe to the idea that there’s any purposeful faction bias, and I don’t wish to sound like I’m invalidating people, but the Horde’s been getting it pretty rough and haven’t had much building up in recent years.

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People not understanding that races aren’t inherently what their stereotypes set them up to be.
Tauren can be cruel and goblins can be heroic people.

People not understanding that news in the warcraft world would travel slower and not every being and citizen of the world is as well versed in azeroths history is we the players are. (or for that matter even aware of everything going on) (Rping with meta knowledge)

Not separating clear gameplay balance and lore.

People not understanding that the lore is written by a team of people that may be not only unqualified but see writting warcraft lore is just maybe their first step in a bigger career and it doesnt mean much to them at the end of the day.

People also not understanding that these are written characters not characters writing themselves.

Another thing we forget, a lot of people look at the story as a whole and taking example from the main storyline in the game. Not much attention is given to quests unless it has something to do with the main characters of the game.

As fun as Chronicles were until the “titan perspective” announcement - I take outside media with a grain of salt. The game will always be my first and most valuable source.

Even if this canon now, it doesn’t change the fact that this wasn’t known at the time. It’s on Blizzard if they keep 'f’ing up the lore when it’s needed, and start throwing crap in two years later. The point is, Tyrande didn’t known (and neither did the players), so it doesn’t really change too much about the context.

This current iteration of the lore/writing team has absolutely lost any shred of respect I had left for the company. It’s big sad.

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I always find Arthas stans a weird bunch, especially when they start spamming those obnoxious “Arthas is the strongest WoW villian ever!!, he can 1v1 anyone” posts.

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Where exactly does this latest retcon come from? No hint of it in Thylassra’s exposition.

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Kinda an obvious, but subtle troll at the same time. Since the fact is that all Blood Elves are High Elves, not the other way around.

I think my top peeve these days is one side presuming to be able to tell the other side how much they liked things.

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But you did like those things!!

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Great scene, great show.

I’m seeing a lot of hot (and wrong) takes by undead today.

It’s in Chronicles and I’m pretty sure she’s chastises Shandris with it.

Edit: Found the broadcast text with a 5 second google search.

https://www.wowhead.com/news=291535/broadcast-text-highlights-for-8-2-nazjatar-quests-mechanical-chicken

This is not a retcon. In Chronicle they used the Pillars to create their bubble.

They then proceeded to discard or give away all the Pillars to people outside the area, like Farondis, the Priestesses of Elune, Deathwing, and Odyn.

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Maybe I’m wrong to call it a retcon. It’s still just an excuse to make Nightborne look better. Especially in 8.2.

“No Shandris you ignorant hillbilly we were actually good guys for leaving you to die in the Sundering.”

The plot hole is that if the Nightborne had all of the Pillars and Azshara can do what she did with just the Tidestone then why didn’t the Nightborne just nuke her from existence?

they still lost the pillars like dumbys

My guess is that, like what we did, the Suramarites left the Pillars in the Tomb after closing the portal, and that others grabbed the Pillars from the Tomb afterwards, like Farondis getting the Tidestone to rebel against Azshara, or Deathwing taking the Hammer for whatever reason.

Either the Highborne kept the Eye, or it was still there when they checked and took it then.

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This makes precious little sense though, no matter what name you call it.