Piddly little black paint ball gun shot that summons level 1 hounds from the forsaken starting zone
versus summoning the 4 horseman and phoenixes that blast your target with amazing spell effects
who would win
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Agree so much. It’s part of the reason I didn’t main the class. Frost mage feels more like a water shaman than actual shaman.
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frost dk its getting work done but last i heard it wasnt a rework
Definitely Demon Hunter.
Can’t even say it without laughing 
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I will say hunters 110% not on questions ask after the new round of changes to TWW alpha. At least shammy got some changes. HUNTERS got one change and that is the range of SV hunter will not be increase with talents.
LOL so they in fact nerf SV but no other changes mention.
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Awww… they changed it? I wanted them to forget about it. It would have been hilarious! Rats!
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Shaman and it’s not even a contest.
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Ive said it before d4 druid is more of a stormbringer then shamans. Warriors are more enhance then shamans. At this point its laughable reading the hero talent desrciptions.
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lol
Another alpha build with no shaman changes. It’s just a meme at this point.
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Yep. Elemental Stormbringer barely even brings a storm. It’s literally just Lightning Bolt in ST and Chain Lightning in AoE.
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Y’all know how the devs put a feedback thread in your class forums to discuss and give feedback on the hero talent trees? Shamans didn’t even get that- we had to start our own.
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whats this then?
Now link to the other 2. Bet you can’t because they don’t exist!
Shaman is the most neglected class and what’s worse they are being parted out to other classes while getting nothing. Storm damage for warriors?! Yet stormstrike isn’t storm damage, literally one of our main attacks with storm in it’s freaking name?! At the very least it should have been nature damage long ago.
I wouldn’t even know where to start with shaman complaints. Enhancement is what I normally play and it’s button bloated with a talent tree that might as well be two straight lines with how many required talents there are to be usable. The class tree is a dumpster fire of too many overly niche or useless talents due to trying to make it work for 3 very different roles. Class tree needed fixed in DF alpha and they still haven’t got to fixing it.
Elemental has needed a rework for a long long time now, yet crickets.
There is definitely some other classes/specs that desperately need love, my main alt is assassination rogue followed by hunter…sigh why do I like the classes/specs that always end up bad or neglected?
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It’s a Shame and a Sham what they haven’t done to Shamans.
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Frost DK and Enhancement Shaman…
Based on how the new expansion talents look I’d say Enhancement Shaman is definitely ahead.
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Yea, look at all the mobility buffs monks are getting in their BASE talent tree. It’s nuts. I have a feeling monks will be the most nerfed class in TWW.
Remember the good old days when druids used to have the most mobility? Sheesh… wtf happened?
SMF Fury Warrior, followed by DW FDK…
SMF can get deleted for all I care…
Doubt they’re getting a true rework.
So far everything I’ve seen is mainly talent shuffling and people begging them to get rid of Breath of Sindragosa.
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hey they said none and i show’d them 1 and it sucks that there is not others for the class
I only occasionally play dk as an alt, but from the youtube videos I’ve seen about alpha it does look like a substantial rework on frost.