Frequently on this board, people worry about the Horde becoming “the Red Alliance,” but I have to be honest–I’ve never understood exactly what that would look like. So, for those reading this thread: what does that phrase mean to you? What would be the signs of the Horde turning into the “Red Alliance”? Has it ever actually happened in the past, or is it just something you think might happen in the future?
NOTE: Please don’t wander into debating whether being the Red Alliance would be a good thing or a bad thing. I just want to know what people think it is.
Baine as “warchief”, but really just a background character doing whatever his masters Jaina and Anduin tell him.
Calia Menethil the leader of the lawful good Forsaken, who spend every moment on screen bowing and scraping trying to atone for the original sin of being Forsaken.
It is the phrase that reflects a view of the Horde as something that should be defined by being vicious warmongers. Nevermind the the story of the Orcs losing time after time being that and the height of it considered a great atrocity. Nevermind it not really fitting the character of a lot of Horde races. The narrative does not give validation for a hawkish stance of hatred for the Alliance. It sucks the faction conflict lacks nuance, but that is the way it was written.
It’s people on the horde being afraid that their “morally grey” horde is about to accept the alliance’s morality. Which… they kind of already had done in the beginning when thrall was in charge (other than the forsaken). Now that it’s going back to that, or so it seems, they think it’s a bad thing.
Maybe a separate “wing” of it but clearly the Horde as a unified entity is dissolved and exist at the mercy of the Alliance’s big swingers.
The Alliance decides who gets to be in power in Horde territory and what they’re allowed to do.
Basically, Garrosh was right.
Basically the Alliance won by successfully fomenting a rift inside the Horde to serve its own interests, not the Horde’s, and convincing the Horde the Alliance can decide what’s best for them.
The Horde, for all intents and purposes, are puppets of the Alliance. It’s up to them if they are satisfied with playing second fiddle.
it doesnt mean anything to me because it’s stupid. every time i see someone use this term it basically means they want the horde to be a pack of warmongering antagonists to the alliance and the moment the horde is not that it makes them a “red alliance”. its ironic that most of the people who want this often play the most human looking races on the horde.
or having ideals that are “correct” to what the alliance think is right.
Baine basically shares the same values as the alliance.
so why he is horde again?
Why does the Alliance have a monopoly on these values? These sound like just basic morals to me. “protect innocents, defend the world, forgiveness” why does the Horde have to be excluded from having these values?
There are other issues involved. The Horde also suffers a scarcity in resources the Night Elves refuse to simply let the orcs have hence they’ve been fighting over Northern Kalimdor for literally decades.
And the Forsaken have been on a conquest binge for their own survival since the fall of the Lich King.
There have been multiple talks with the night elves throughout the lores history to settle on some sort of trade deal. The talks are almost always disrupted by another “bad guy”
they didn’t really go on any conquests until just recently, post-cata. beforehand they were simply securing the territories they lived in for their own survival
none of these things at all contradict with the value sets of protecting innocents as best as possible, being capable of forgiveness, and defending azeroth.
To me the “Red Alliance” is a shift or even erasure of culture to make the Horde easier to fit into a heroic role. When all of the warmongers are killed and morals are fixed then the Horde will get to be the Heroes. The purpose of this would be to homogenize the world of Azeroth so fighting against big bads is easier to be written.
The Blood Elves have been this way for quite some time. They are practically an Alliance race, hell all you would have to do is shift their color from red to blue.
If the concept of the “Red Alliance” even exists it is just a method of making writing more easy.
The Red Alliance is the Horde as of 8.2.5’s War Campaign conclusion.
They’re an incompetent client state that the Alliance needs to keep putting back in it’s place. They can’t exist without the Alliance there to prop up their weak, unstable government.
idk, what’s the point of having different races? kind of odd that people think the factions have to be divided into good and bad guys or else they shouldnt exist.