Im not so sure about Anduin but fair, you got me.
He wields magic of the level of Priest but uses the armor and arms of a ret paladin.
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Im pretty sure Paladins use the light in a different way than a priest, at least nowadays.
If my memory doesnt fail priests channel it, paladins are infused by it.
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And Anduin seems clearly both.
And remember for Humans at least, the first Paladins were originally Priests.
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At some point one must logically stop being a priest and become a paladin.
Uther, like all the others, started out as a priest and became what we currently know as a holy paladin, Turalyon is the one who is very clearly a ret paladin
What do you mean? He captured her, defeated her twice, killed most of her Wardens, I might even prefer Maiev over him (in some respects), but thatâs the truth
I mean, we might not like it, but Illidan is way stronger than her (and maybe his brother) now
That was Tyrande, actually.
However Maiev is definitely one of the few beings on Azeroth that Illidan, while maybe not necessarily fear, definitely has enough respect to not let their paths cross.
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On behest of Sam clears throat:
No he didnât. In fact, she captured him in Outland, then his cohorts freed him. Remember that mission in WCIII where you fight over his cage?
The event youâre referring to, when she wound up in the Wardenâs Cage, wasnât Illidan himself. He literally threw an army of fel orcs at her first to tire her out. Then fired a shadowbolt from his vantage point in the sky to knock her out. They didnât fight.
Literally never happened. Maiev and Illidan have only directly crossed blades once in Warcraft. And she killed him.
Her wardesn arenât her.
As someone who has Maiev and Illidan lore memorized, itâs far from the truth.
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Dont have to be Arcane, but WC3 Wardens had Blink as a starter ability. And since theyâre Mage hunters, having some counter magic/counter distance capability is a default must.
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UmâŚare you absolutely sure? What about their encounter in Broken Isles, and later in Outland, with Akama and everything? He could have killed her in both cases. And according to the novel and Chronicle, Illidan never âfearedâ Maiev, he kind of considered her a distraction and nuisance
He spent all that time running away from her, and only won because he lured her into a trap - which failed to kill her.
She was captured after she was already in league with Akama, so the odds are that Maiev allowed Illidan to THINK he had captured her, when in reality it was part of the Deathswornâs plan to get her close to him.
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To call Maiev a nuisance and distraction to Illidan is hyperbole; because if she was a distraction he would have defeated and slew her like he slew the population at the Kaldorei port of Nembis <believe thatâs what itâs called>. Illidanâs constant flight from the Watchers is ample proof he did not have the power to defeat her Directly, even with the Eye of Sargeras and Skull of Gulâdan.
During the WC3 Blood Elf campaign, you only are able to defeat Maiev and her Watchers with the combined might of the Blood Elves and Naga in what is technically is a rear guard for the Watchers.
In addition, it was Maiev that put an end to Illidanâs would be triumph over the adventurers at rhe black temple. Therefore no: Maiev was anything but a nuisance to Illidan. To the contrary she was the most formidable mortal enemy heâd ever encounter aside Arthas Menethil. Arthas terrified Illidan so much, he didnât even bother opening a spy network on Icecrown.
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I am pretty sure thatâs one and the same thing.
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Courtesy of Maiev-waifu Samariyu:
UmâŚare you absolutely sure? What about their encounter in Broken Isles, and later in Outland, with Akama and everything?
Absolutely. I can quote you the passages from the book if you want. They never directly fought until the Black Temple. Illidan specifically tried to avoid it. Their forces clashed in the Broken Isles, but they didnât. Instead of trying to fight Maiev directly, Illidan collapsed a temple on her head. In Outland, the only time they couldâve directly clashed is at the beginning when Maiev first caught Illidan, as thatâs the only part of the Outland campaign we donât have a detailed account of. But the rest of the Outland story depicted in the Illidan book shows they didnât directly fight until the Black Temple.
He could have killed her in both cases.
The one time where he had the opportunity, the fight at the Fist of Gulâdan, it was not through his own efforts but the efforts of his army. And in that case, he chose to take her prisoner. On the Broken Isles, he actually TRIED to kill her, but failed. So no, clearly he couldnât have killed her there even if he tried. Because he did try. And we saw how that went.
And according to the novel and Chronicle, Illidan never âfearedâ Maiev, he kind of considered her a distraction and nuisance
Then Chronicle and the Illidan book contradict each other, because Akama directly notes how Illidan fears Maiev in the latter. And during Illidanâs pov chapters, he becomes visibly agitated an on-edge when Maiev is brought up. In fact he didnât fight her at the Fist of Gulâdan because he A) wanted to save his strength for the fight in Nathreza, and B) considered the risk of losing too high. So he hovered over the battle out of reach of her Blink. And lastly, he felt he was going to win the fight at the Black Temple until Maiev arrived. So even assuming he in fact doesnât fear her, he definitely sees her as a significant enough threat to avoid.
Tying this back to the point of the thread, this shows how deadly wardens can be. And Maiev, being the grandmaster Warden, the one who founded the class, is the most dangerous of them all. Even Illidan knew not to take her lightly.
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This is the biggest contributing factor to the Illidan fears Maiev theory. This is their literal interaction at the Black Temple:
Illidan: Haha, you guys suck, Iâm not even trying.
Maiev: Sup?
Illidan: oh gOD OH FU~
Edit: Sam literally how?
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I mean, who wouldnt be afraid of someone who is as angry as doom guy/goblin slayer yet does a disturbingly erotic batman impression.
Thats enough to throw anyone off their game, like, 3 times in a row
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No afraid, but yeahâŚ
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I mean, maybe he developed a sort of unconscious fear for her during the time he was his prisoner? I mean itâs not far fetched tbh. Not to mention it seems she pretty much built herself as a ââDemon Hunterââ Hunter of sorts so he probably was extra careful about her?
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I like this, Iâm stealing this.
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Get her blessing at least man!