All I can find is this:
ht tps://us.support.blizzard.com/en/article/42673
What counts as Griefing on a PVP server?
Is Safe-Spotting still reportable?
What about camping someone?
At what point does PVP turn from “PVP on a PVP server” to “Griefing” or “Gameplay disruption”?
It used to be that WoW had its’ own specific ruleset and a subset of rules for both RP and PVP servers with the rules clearly defined as to what is or isn’t allowed on PVP servers.
Is there any official articles or blue posts on the matter?
If not can we get one so that people stop having these debates and both sides of the argument stop gas lighting each other about it?
You’re not going to get a clear answer as Blizzard tend to be vague to let themselves have wiggle room for folks trying to rules lawyer on account actions.
Nah if they’d give a clear answer the community would rebrand "safespotting’ as “roofcamping” and then argue the whole day it’s not written in stone, ergo it is not against the rules. Same argument with toxic people trying to legalese their way around offensive words.
No. PvP problems have PvP solutions pretty much answers the bulk of it.
Even if they did have a point blank, intensely explicit rule book? People would still have debates and arguments and gas lighting and all of that other fun toxic stuff that seems to come out when folks get heated about whatever they’re on about at the time.
The players don’t get to decide what is what. All anyone can do is report a player/problem and let the GMs or Hacks team handle it - depending on the issue.
Safespotting/roof camping are the same thing and were against the rules before they removed the WoW specific rules.
Your example is exactly why I’m trying to get clarity because there are people that say that Safespotting is fine because there’s no rules against it because “it has a PVP solution”, something that didn’t matter previously.
What about safespotting?
It used to be banned, is it still banned?
There’s a PVP solution to it.
At least a rulebook would give us a foundation as to what is acceptable/unacceptable in regards to PVP interactions.
How do you know what is reportable if there’s no clarity to the rules?
What counts as griefing?
Does getting corpse camped for an hour count as griefing if there’s a PVP solution?
It’s gameplay disruption.
It has a PVP solution.
Does a player killing all the quest givers in The Valley of Trials/Northshire Abbey repeatedly count as griefing?
Also gameplay disruption.
Also has a PVP solution.
Does a player feeding alts to Kazzak during a Kazzak fight to regenerate him count as griefing if it’s the opposing faction?
What about the same faction?
This one is easy. Practically nothing. “Griefing” is a term mostly used by players, and it’s usually in the context where they are being inconvenienced. In PVP, that usually means they were ganked, camped, farmed for honor, or their quest giver is repeatedly killed.
From what we’ve always heard here, when there is a PVP solution, Blizzard doesn’t intervene, baring very specific circumstances. IIRC, zone disruption is factored by days, not minutes. If they step in during large scale world PVP battles, who is going to bother holding them?
ETA - If you come across people having “creative” ways to avoid PVP consequences for their PVP actions, definitely report that to Blizz.
Logoff for a while
Ask for help from zone or guild.
Griefting is a player made term and can mean anything under the sun from someone winning loot you wanted to someone killing someone else in PVP. They don’t have a blanket statement on what players think they should think the term means.
If an NPC is flagged to be attacked, its meant to be attacked. Attacking such isn’t against the rules, and if the player is flagged, they can attack them.
Yes. Basically unless something crosses to disrupting an entire zone for VERY long periods of time, or destabilizing a server - they are allowed to do it. There are PvP solutions to PvP problems and Blizzard expects people to use them. Call friends, log out, do different activities, etc.
This article covers some common player concerns and then the Blizzard policy regarding those concerns.
Common Problems
* A player is camping me.
Keep being ganked and can’t play the game at all.
A player of the opposite faction is killing NPCs.
The Game Master staff will not intervene in Player versus Player (PvP) disputes.
Modern WoW
If you do not wish to engage in open world PvP combat in World of Warcraft, disable War Mode.
WoW Classic and CATACLYSM Classic
If you do not wish to engage in regular PvP combat, you must create your character on a Player versus Environment (PvE) realm. On a PvE realm, you can freely choose when you want to engage in open world PvP combat by enabling or disabling your PvP flag.
If you chose to create your character on a PvP realm, Game Masters will not address situations where you are repeatedly killed by the opposite faction. This includes situations that may be considered dishonorable such as corpse camping or killing players well below your level.
They used to action people for Safespotting(Sitting on top of the GG Zep tower as Alliance and shooting the Horde players, sitting on top of the houses in Darkshire, sitting on the buildings in Gads.)
You mean like layering after ganking you?
I usually just go to a different zone or go to a dungeon myself.
Griefing is not a player made term, it’s in the rules.
What’s player made is the definition of griefing which is what I’m seeking clarity on.
I don’t need to get banned for what I consider to be normal PVP activities.
ie: Camping someone who tried to and failed to gank me while I was fighting a mob.
They added DKs to the game for the specific thing I just mentioned because Blizzard considered a form of griefing but not one worth actioning directly so they added the DKs to dissuade people from the activity.
Does that mean the WSG jumps count as exploitation?
What people do in Gads/Orgrimmar/SW/Darkshire is basically the same thing as the WSG jumps.
I’m not going to be able to comment on any specific activity, if you feel the person is exploiting use the right click report option on their character profile and report it.
If you are unable to report for any reason you can email details to hacks@blizzard.com.
