Datamined but not confirmed, those skin tones and blue eyes could well be for NPCs, or even be new customistions for the Void elves.
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allied races ARE NOT getting new customizations, only in the future
no reason to add 9 shades of blue and even a blue green one to npcs
I mean that it isn’t relevant to the discussion of whether it’s fair to want them. Blood Elves being High Elves doesn’t have any impact on whether or not players want the very specific niche group of High Elves they’ve always wanted.
Largely that’s because it’s not really about “generic High Elves” at all, and very specifically about the High Elves who remained loyal, never fell to the influence of demonic energy, and never followed entered into a “do whatever it takes to survive regardless of morals” mindset.
That said I think that Void Elves is pretty much the only answer I can offer you. Aside from being purple they’re a dead copy for Blood Elves, which indicates that Blizzard wasn’t against the model itself. The problem, of course, goes right back to Blood Elves not being the right High Elves. Void Elves would also never be the right High Elves.
In terms of whether or not they’re distinct groups, I think it’s disingenuous to say “it’s just a different group name.” Politically and socially they’ve split from each other, and that carries a lot of weight. Just like humans who form different countries tend to become opposed, even if they come together over a religion.
To be perfectly honest, however, I don’t really care about the factions at this point. The Alliance is bleeding dry faster and faster, and I have little doubt that within the next few years Blizzard is going to have to do something. Adding High Elves might have worked an expansion or two ago, but it’s probably a fool’s errand at this point.
It probably doesn’t matter what we do for the Alliance. We’re a dead faction walking.
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Love to see where you got that 1% statistic from, because that sounds like its just your incorrect and biased asumption.
Really? want to explain Void elves and Nightborn then? Because they are just ‘just a different group’ of bloodelves and Night elves.
The whole point of allied races was to add a bunch of subgroups of the same race.
No the Silver Covenant are one group of Highelves, there are others. Silver Covenant are comparable to say, the Farstriders.
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Um…If Blood Elves are a faction of the High Elf race then Blood Elves are High Elves.
They are blood elves now.
It is all about the generic high elves, it is all about the tolkien elf look, thats why there is tons of people asking for high elf color to void elves
who said otherwise is lying to thenselves.
those elves never existed, in fact, the high elves in the alliance are the last loyal ones, since their abandon their kindgom, prince and regent to lick human boots
Except the blood elves never fell to the demonic energy.
Because they went to lick human boots where there is plenty of resources and shelter while their people were dying back home. I don’t know how you canno’t follow the mindset of to whatever it takes to survive when your kids and old are dying.
All of this headcanon you said its why high elves should never be a thing, its force the idea of a purist and pure white blond elf who do not wrong, a rightful elf with superior moral when its all big fat lies
Again, its why high elves should never bet a thing, the blood elves ARE the right elves, not the disloyal dishonorable exiles who went to lick human boots, make then a thing would simple make this lie and this nonsense mindset a real thing, something that only lived in in their heads.
they are not the same race they are completely different in thematic and appearance, something high end blood elves are exactly the same
[Citation Needed]
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Blood elves are part of the High elf Species but they are not be all end all of High elves.
Just like Nightborn are not the Night elves, but are part of the same species.
Theres a clear distinction.
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they are not the same specie neither the same race, they changed by the nightwell.
you will have a hard time trying to conciliate race and specie and groups in this fictional universe
But Blood Elves are High Elves.
Not really, Nightborn are literally just a group of Nightelves, infact Suramar WAS Tyrande’s home, they are literally her people.
But even ignoring that, Kul’tirans are just humans from a different kingdom. They are exactly the same.
Didn’t realise I was back at University. I don’t need a citation atall given that you haven’t given any citations to anything you have said, thats a poor cop-out for “I have no answer to this”.
The Silver covenant are one group of Highelves, as are the group in Terokkar Forest, who are alliance high elves that arn’t part of the silver covenant, as are the Highelves in Quel’Lithien Lodge, and as are the Highelves who walk around Stormwind. Not all Alliance Highelves are just the Silver Covenant.
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But the original post still ignores the main issue that opponents to the high elf regime have with them: There’s nothing visually distinguishing them from blood elves, especially with the new datamined customization.
If Alliance is ever to get high elves, Horde might as well get fogsail humans (with Stormwind model), and it would be an equivalent tradeoff.
Repeating myself, if you call yourself high elf it’s like calling yourself a citizen of Istanbul. You can, but it’s wrong. The new term is blood elf. Alliance blood elves are just renegade blood elves. They can name themselves high elves if they want, but they are not racially high elves.
What the Alliance got tho that they could add, is half-elves. We know that the elves that see humans are just that down with human potential. There’s probably a good amount of those.
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Thats actually ironic since you’re playing a nightborn. Who is almost visually indistinguishable from the Nightelves.
It wouldn’t be hard to use the bloodelf base model, give it different idle animations (like Nightborn do), some new hair styles and some warpaints. They would stand out as being just as distinguised.
You could even give them new models compleatly, look at the Kul’tirans, they are just humans but massivly different visually to Stormwind humans.
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TBF, Horde did get the Night Elf model while Alliance got the Blood Elf model.
The Nightborne are very close in appearance to the Night Elf.
The Void Elf on the other hand is very different due to skin color.
For some reason Blizzard added even more customization to the Blood Elf model which will only give people more reason to go/stay Horde.
I hope this means they are going to give more customization to Void Elves, but I fear that Blizzard is going to use the excuse that they gave more customization to Humans. And while there is a certain segment of the player base that asked for more Human skin tones, I think the bigger ask has always been for pale skin tones for the Blood/Void/High Elf model on the Ally side.
And at this point, I think they should to give people a reason to play Alliance.
No one is going to get confused as to whether someone is Horde or Alliance when the tag over opposite faction is either orange or red. So that’s a silly argument to make. Besides the fact that there are so many toys that can turn you into a race of the opposite faction - where even the help tool says they are the transformed race.
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Night elves, fangish/trollish a bit savage.
Nightbornes, a bit withered looks like mana addict on the first view. Kinda emit arcane radioactively around them.
That the models they gave to Horde was poor I can give that. But that’s not what we saw in Suramar.
I think it’s important to consider that for a bit over a decade the High Elves were considered Alliance fantasy. It wasn’t until the Burning Crusade that the Blood Elves were foisted into the arms of the Horde.
A lot of the people who want High Elves today are people who wanted them the whole time. It’s also relevant to note that whenever we see the Alliance doing big magic the High Elves come out to do a lot of it. The fantasy is very much still involved in our faction.
It’s not just because they’re “pretty.” There’s a lot of thematics, history, and lore, going on that many of us would like to be able to explore.
Those are the High Elves we’re talking about, yes. As you pointed out “the last loyal ones” are the ones in the Alliance already. We just want to be able to play them.
I’m not sure why, exactly, you’d imply they don’t exist and then immediately point out the existing ones that we’re talking about. It’s sort of a contradiction to say it doesn’t exist and then talk about it’s existence.
That said.
The High Elves do not “lick human boots.” They have families, friends, and they’re part of society. They are not slaves, nor are they held here against their will.
It’s important to remember that when they made the decision not to go home, or to leave in general, they were doing so for more than just “I don’t feel like rebuilding.”
Many of them listened to Kael’thas talk about going to other worlds, to Outland. Many listened to his ideas about siphoning magic to sustain themselves in the absence of the Sunwell. Many, still, listened to his talks about joining the Horde.
The High Elves who stayed loyal? They didn’t just stay loyal to the Alliance. They stayed loyal to who they once were. A proud people who wouldn’t stoop to joining the Horde. A people who wouldn’t steal the magic just to sate their addiction. A people who sought to ease their addiction through meditation and baubles, not savagery and vampirism.
Not, perhaps, in the most traditional sense. Blood Elves eyes turned green because of the demonic energy they consumed, however.
I didn’t mean they fell to it like the Orcs did, though. Should have worded it better. “Tainted by,” perhaps, or “touched by.” They still consumed that energy to survive. Something the High Elves, the ones the Alliance wants, rejected the concept of doing.
I think you’re projecting with this one. You continue to refer to them as “licking boots,” as well.
The world is more complicated than “just do anything to survive.” We have great literary examples of people who refused to commit what they considered atrocities just to survive. In fact the very concept of losing ones humanity for survival, and whether it’s a worthwhile trade off, is heavily touched upon.
They both exist in the lore already. We’re not debating whether or not they High Elves should be added to the lore. They’re already part of it. The Silver Covenant, the High Elves lodges, the scattered few who married humans or tucked away into Stormwind.
They already exist. You can’t take them out of the lore at this point. If their existence is threatening to Blood Elves, because you think they’re morally superior and thus Blood Elves look bad by comparison, well… that’s already happening isn’t it?
Except I don’t want them to make Blood Elves look bad. I respect what Blood Elves put themselves through. I appreciate the savagery of doing everything to survive. I can appreciate the cutthroat mindset needed to make it through the dark times.
I just don’t want to play that mindset.
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I’d love to quite that blue post from the old forums, but Blizz took them down. Annoying, because all of the blue posts were over there.
LOL… it’s very much not. And I’ve been part of many a movement on the forums for changes, knowing full well that such a small portion posts here.
They’re the only group that stays with the Alliance consistently.
You forgot the Scryers. A faction of Blood Elves (Kael) that defected from him and joined the Shattrath city defenders. These are a faction of neutral blood elves.
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they are a different race of night elves, they are changed and mutated by the nightwell to no longer be night elves.
Their difference in shape and form clearly show that.
its completely disingenuous say a half-giant breed of humans with the average of 8ft size and completely different facial and body structure breed by different generations in a different and harsh environment is the same as other COMPLETELY DIFFERENT human
this is the common fallacy of analogy you guys use, humans and kul’tirans are clearly different like day and night, they are subraces within the race, but just because they are don’t mean high and blood elves are different.
They indeed, are exactly the same
when you said a bold statement like that you need proof to back that up unless you are saying crap or headcanon.
Seeing that you don’t have brought any canon source to proof that, silver covenant is not the same number of the farstrider, that is an absurd extrapolation, even more taking account the 90% of the race is blood elf
the silver covenant is a minor group who cannot stand on his own, in MOP they were just sideckick of the human forces of dalaran.
they are not there anymore, their leader is the silvermoon as a ambassador.
a small number of elves who life in a village with dwarves and draeneis.
another small and insignificant number of civilians.
they are as unimportant and small as the silver covenant
wrong
they stop being alliance fantasy in the Warcraft 3: frozen throne campaign.
thats incorrect, only 3 times the high elves appear to be relevant in the game, one is to be the antagonists of blood elves and a minor appearance in the argent tournament. In Isle of thunder they are sidekicks of Jaina and the humans of Dalaran, in Suramar they are sidekicks of Tyrande and the night elves.
it is rly not.
all the thematic, history and lore of the high elves is on the blood elves and its where there story will be explored.
And again, this will not happens to not make the headcanon and the history of the purist elves be true.
the high elves in the alliance are not the loyal elves, they are the less loyal elves, poor choice of world, but the “loyal” elves are the ones who followed their people and kingdom
they have abandoned their families and friends in silvermoon by pure hypocrisy and ego-centrism, trying to be in the moral high ground.
They became human bootlickers to have a lazy and easy life, no more hunger of mana problems back in home because you have humans and their magical artifacts to provide for you
Its rly easy to point a finger to the blood elves doing whatever they can to survive and claim the moral high ground when you have shelter and mana to feed
That is bullsh1t, that is a lie that the high elf fandom keep spreading, they don’t stayed loyal to the alliance, first, because the elves NEVER had any love for the alliance or the humans lets break this down:
1 - The elves only joined the humans to kill trolls in the troll wars because they were desperate, not because they like then.
2 - Anesterian and the elves barely participate in the second war, they only helped then because Lothar as the last heir of the Arathor bloodline, evoke the pact in the troll wars
3 - High elves left the alliance right after the second war.
4 - Only after the scourge attack Kael and the high elves, now know as blood elves joined the alliance trying to rebuild
5 - Garithos and the alliance trying to genocide the elves and kill their prince in dalaran, while Dalaran did CRAP about it
6 - back in wow alliance instead of helping then in time of need send saboteurs to destroy their last resources of magic.
7 - With nothing they can do, only the horde send then a friend hand to help then.
But of course, the high elves are the right elves who "chose to stay loyal not to their kingdom, not their prince, not to the faction who save their people a$$, but they chose to stay loyal over a faction they never had love, a faction they barely joined in the past, a faction who stab then in the back not only one but two times, one of then with a tentative of genocide and regicide
what a load of horsesh1t
a pedant group who chose to turn the back to their people and join the faction who tried to genocide then, that a bunch of examples of moral.
Lies, all elves learned the tap magic trick, they just use in magical artifacts.
Again, this headcanon don’t exist, this all bullcrap, and thats why the high elf anrrative should not happen, high elves are not the better elves, the right elves or pure elves, this headcanon need to die
Again, simple not true
The fel crystal in dalaran were just to empower the city defenses against the remains of the scourge, they never feed on then, their eyes turn green because the magic around reacted with their eyes as radiation.
again, false
im not projecting and yous words only reforce then
i refer then as lick human boots because its precise what they do.
The world is more complicated when your child and old is dying and the there is few things you can do about, maybe there is people who can afford other methods by joining their human husbands in dalaran to suck all the magic they want, but the world is more complicated then that.
And the concept of dropping your own ego in prol of your family survive, that is no shame in eating something of low quality when its the only thing you can find or buy to your child or to your mom so they don’t starve to death
the concept of putting on the humility sandals, accepting the help of someone even if in the past was an enemy but now is redeemed so you can survive and prosper.
Lets damn drop the concept of purist elves who don’t exist.
not the point here, there is tons of other humans, other draeneis, other orcs, other groups and they will not be playable either.
there is no need to, they are irrelevant, they are npc groups that don’t matter, and only are there to be small sideplots or sideckicks who don’t matter in the big picture, they will not grow, they will not prosper, they will not make a new kingdom, quel’thalas will never be athen again.
So they should not be playable, i don’t know why people thing npcs matters so much.
i don’t think that, you think that, people think that, you use the entire gama of points that think exactly that, those things are nto true, and if they become playable it will be validate.
there is no savagery in what the blood elves did.
you will not find a better concept in the high elves, since all the concepts you said literally don’t exist.
they aren’t loyal, they didn’t had a mindset that do whatever to survive is wrong, they are not right elves.
high elves are a dishonorable and disloyal people who abandon their people and kingdom because of the difficulty they were of the lack of mana to have an easy and lazy life in human lands where they could have all the mana point a finger to their own brothers.
They are a hypocrite and egocentric people who chose to be with the faction who tried to genocide their people and kill their prince, they chose to stay in the faction who stab then in the back two times, because they are too racist to endure the ugly races who save their people and give then a future
This is the mindset you would have with high elves, don’t try to romantize then
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